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Message 4001 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/18/01 9:41 am
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Jethro Tull yet.
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Message 4002 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/18/01 9:42 am
Cross-Eyed Mary. Now, there's an NPC!
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Message 4003 of 6732 Reply
Re: Playing Clubs SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/18/01 11:00 am
I've seen three general types of clubs so far.
1) Totally free-form. Everyone posts what they like, generally with the
caveat it's bad form to kill another player without their consent. There's
often no GM around. With mature and creative players, this can be fun,
but these games tend to attract power-munchkins who want to have PCs like
"son of the god of chaos" or something.
2) Trying for tabletop. PCs have character sheets at home, stats, etc.
I've been in a few where the club was supposed to meet weekly in the chat
room, which the GM had somehow modified to generate random numbers in
various ranges: 1-4, 1-6, etc. The chat games are *slow* and often confused.
In ones that weren't chat-based, I think the GM rolled for the PCs, consulting
his copy of their sheets. Combat gets really slow when you have to wait
for someone to post, roll, then post the result, then wait... But if you
want a "fair" game, this is it.
3) Storytelling. Like free-form, but with a definite GM presence. These
are my favorites, and it's how I run the two clubs I GM. PCs can get away
with a lot, within broad guidelines, including scripting dialogue and
actions for minor NPCs. But major NPCs remain the province of the GM,
and PCs have to post their half of the conversations and the GM determines
how the NPC replies. Combat requires maturity; I typically let the players
determine how much damage they take from the bad gut attacks I describe,
and I decide how much damage the bad guys take from the attacks they describe.
My post: "Bob's dagger catches Bad Bert in the left shoulder. Surprised,
he drops his own knife to clutch at the wound. But he's got enough presence
of mind to aim a kick at Bob's stomach."
Good PC's reply: "Bob barely had time to gloat over his good aim when
Bad Bart lashed out savagely with his foot. "Oof!" The kick lands hard
in Bob's stomach, knocking the breath out of him and pushing him back
several steps. "No more games," Bob mutters, drawing another dagger. This
one would end up in Bart's eye..."
But we get very little combat, usually, and lots more interaction between
PCs and PCs and PCs and NPCs. It's a good medium for mystery and intrigue
games, I think.
I'll give up the soapbox now...
This Is a Reply to: Msg 3987 by dungeonmaster1st
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Message 4004 of 6732 Reply
Updated! johnny_lingster
1/18/01 11:07 am
The site for my Valla Morr Campaign world has been updated! I also had
to move it to a different place as my old provider went belly up.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/vallamorr
Remember, this is the place where ELVES ARE SLAVES.
The site is continually being updated, added to, etc. etc. Look for many
more things to come in the very near future, like a timeline of current
events, a more complete history as it is known by the leaders of the world.
More about the Council of Nine, etc. etc.
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Message 4005 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/18/01 1:50 pm
<< Cross-Eyed Mary. Now, there's an NPC! >>
As is the Jack-in-the-Green, the Whistler, The Hunting Girl, the Rover,
Beastie, the Mountain Men...should I go on?
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Message 4006 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/18/01 1:52 pm
Speaking of Jethro Tullin this thread, my campaign's god of bards, music,
and revelry is named Iander, after Jethro Tull frontman, Ian Anderson.
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Message 4007 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want mattbcieri
(28/M/Upper Darby PA) 1/18/01 4:13 pm
Since we are giving our ideas for musical pased campaigns how about Peter
Gabriel? Steam, Sleadgehammer, Big, in your Eyes?!?!
I had a friend who DM'ed the Hotel of California, he changed the name
to have the same cadance, and set up situations to force the players into
running into those lines from the song.
I think at dinner the main course got loose, so they told thePC's to "gather
in the master's Chambers" where they were going to have "their evening
feast"
Whern they got there there was some demonic black boar creeature. After
a few rounds of combat the GM announced "you stab it with your steally
knives, but you just can't kill the beast". At which all the players lost
morale, and had their characters run for the door.
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Message 4008 of 6732 Reply
New Member kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/18/01 8:19 pm
Greetings everyone, and all fellow Dungeon Masters. I'm a new member here,
but this place seems pretty good. Anyhow, my main reason for joining was
the fact that I am a beginning Dungeon Master and I am about to create
my first adventure. I have most of the things down already, but there
is something in particular I require. The party is about 1-3 level and
made up of a pretty keen group of players. As such, I'm looking for a
clever puzzle room or something to add challenge to the game. There are
already some others of my own devising, but I lack the experience that
I am certain more seasoned DMs would possess. If you have any ideas or
suggestions just post them here and I'll check back soon. Thanks.
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Message 4009 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member mattbcieri
(28/M/Upper Darby PA) 1/19/01 8:16 am
A suggestion I can make is this, let theplayers hear rumors about a fabulouse
treasure that is well hidden in your dungeon. Take the time to make a
side room, or set of rooms that can be totally missed, without runing
the adventure. Place something over or near the entrance. A statue, a
mosaic. Have their be some kind of riddle. The answer to the riddle should
inspire the players to find a particular gem (or set of gems) and place
them in the statue or the mosaic to unlock the passage.
If you think they are really clever, give them false gems, and make the
order important in which the gems are placed.
For real dievous puzzle, make the occurrance of guardians multiple, throught
the maze. Have 4 statues all pointing to a dead space in a wall. (Have
them all in different rooms but pointing to the same space). Only when
the riddle on each statue is solved will the secret room open up.
For the 4 part statue set up, the statues could have seveal holes in the
face (eyes, ears, teeth, nose).
The cluse could be "By the dragon's eyes I see what is hidden", "By the
dragon's ears I hear what is near", "By the dragon's nose I smell thee",
"By the dragon's teeth I cut through what seems solid"
Each statue could have the same holes missing. But only the holes which
pertain to the message on the statue need to be filled.
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Message 4010 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member mattbcieri
(28/M/Upper Darby PA) 1/19/01 8:31 am
for an extra level of complexity, let there be enough gems to fill each
statue with each type, but leave clues as to which dragon color each statue
refers to.
Like a mosaic showing a black dragon chewing through solid rock. Maybe
even a message saying his acid breath leaves deep scars in mother earth.
A picture of a green dragon smelling slower, (make it a poisonous one).
Maybe the message reads "The most deadly poison is the one you can not
smell."
Next there could be a white dragon looking asleap in the middle of a blizzard,
but with his ears perked up. The message could be "The howling winds are
music to sooth this beast".
You could use a picture of a red dragon looking at a maze. Perhapse this
has no caption. For even more complexity, if you put the gems in this
mosaic, the path through the maze is then highlihgted, but the path looks
like letters like "gotchya", or "you die", or "lunch".
If you want to scare the crap out of the group, have the dragon image
roar, and have sulfurous smoak pour out it's nose. (But that is it, I
doubt anyone 1-3 levels will hang arround long enough to see the ruse.
And if the do, have the message in the maze turn to "Ha-ha"
If you wanted to be really evil, have some minor riddle to solve to find
the appropriate gems. Maybe a picture of a camp file with the message
"light my fire" If the group places a tourch against the picture, the
light will reveal the red dragon gems wither in the painting, or elsewhere.
Hope this hepls. Hope it is devious enough.
Matt
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Message 4011 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/19/01 10:37 am
Everyone has great ideas, for advanced players.
If these players are new, which they may be since you are also a new DM,
maybe a simpler version of the two previous replies would be better. If
they are advanced, then let em have it, but don't be surprised if they
don't figure it out. Basic dungeons don't typically have such troublesome
puzzles. Those usually come about around 4th level or so. I am sure there
are plenty who disagree with me, but hey-it takes all kinds in D&D.
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Message 4012 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/19/01 10:55 am
Let us know some paticulars about you campaign and I will try to help
Nyvek MHORC
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Message 4013 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/19/01 11:26 am
Yess, give us the particulars, and I am certain that you will get more
than enough suggestions.
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Message 4014 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/19/01 11:56 am
I've gotten some nifty stuff by doing Yahoo! searches for "Puzzles," "Riddles,"
and "Mazes."
Something like the Net Book of Traps or the Net Book of Riddles might
also have some things you could use. Some of the traps are almost like
puzzles in that clever PCs can figure them out and avoid them.
Why is there a puzzle in the dungeon? Answering that question will probably
help you make one up. If it's a test, who's doing the testing and why?
If it's to keep the "wrong people" out of an area, why use a puzzle rather
than a really good lock and some guards? Who put the puzzles here? The
answers will certainly add depth and background to your adventure and
campaign.
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Message 4015 of 6732 Reply
Re: Playing Clubs sneakabout2
(M/Faerun) 1/19/01 2:08 pm
I myself think that the free-form clubs are best if everyone shows up
with their most powerful characters and then the DM proceeds to throw
them into the Abyss, Hades, whatever and whilst combat still goes on as
normal the figures are pretty loose and the roleplaying is the most important
thing in the game.
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Message 4016 of 6732 Reply
Re: Playing Clubs kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/19/01 5:36 pm
Wow, thanks for all the suggestions. As for details, well basically there
will be two rookies and one experienced player going through, who has
also done some DMing in his time as well. Basically, they have been employed
by a resident mage to retrieve an artifact necessary for the making of
a scroll. Another wizard has it, and so they are journeying there to try
and retrieve it. (In the end they fight the wizard and return to deliver
the requested item) I planned on having the room in the second level of
the dungeon, and not essential to the story, hence the heightened challenge.
Thanks again for your suggestions, I think I've finally found the right
club.
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Message 4017 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 1/20/01 9:18 am
Sometimes a secret door or teleportaztion device the party must use to
move forward. They needn't know that that is what will happen. You leave
a clue like an oil painting of the evil scorceress or warlord playing
chess and moving a particular peice to capture a particular piece, then
there is a chess board set up to teh same game configuration. If they
move the piece correctly door opens/teleporter engaged. If they move it
incorrecyl. Poison gas or electrical damage. Riddles in carvings are cool
too. I use them a lot.
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Message 4018 of 6732 Reply
Re: You can check out anytime you want greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 1/20/01 9:22 am
You are sooooo evil!! This is a great idea, but put it at the end of a
campaign so they are not on the defensive when they begin. Or eager to
keep going.
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Message 4019 of 6732 Reply
Re: Playing Clubs knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/20/01 9:48 am
hmmm... wondering what club that could be? hehehe...
I find the "Storytelling" system to actually be better, since it gives
the players more control over there characters and in some cases a chance
to improve on their writing skills.
One of my members (Vc) is trying to write a novel, and the experience
from posting in the club is helping him get used to typing, as well as
improving his table-top RPG'ing. When I first met him and he started playing
he was the ultimate hack-n-slasher, but now he is slowly getting better
at role=playing!
I feel the "Storytelling" method is best, that way no one has to worry
about "how many hit points I have left" or "what my AC is". And actually
many players don't mind having their characters get hit, as long as the
can control where they are hit, it's fun for the PC's to think of their
character's reactions.
The main goal of any RPG is still to have fun. One of the fun things in
RPGs is always the reactions of your own characters, so... GAME ON!
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/apalladiummultiverse
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Message 4020 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/20/01 1:20 pm
Oh, good idea! Perhaps I could use that as the way they take to get to
the wizard and final encounter.
I might be able to share some information about roleplaying in clubs,
for I myself have several. In my main one two players serve as DMs, doing
the various tasks. I mostly control NPCs and the main story plot, but
the other game master does encounters, and some other smaller parts of
the story. Both of us have our own characters, which serve to guide the
story along. My own character is done completely with DnD rules, because
I have found that it evens things out and the others start to catch on,
though most of them have never had a tabletop game in their life. It does
improve storytelling quite a bit and they all have grown better and better
at playing their characters. The other gamemaster plays a wizard who uses
all the spells from the player's handbook. It works out very well for
us, and the players like it too.
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Message 4021 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member orgruff
(32/M/Australia, not UK) 1/21/01 5:46 pm
I used a carving riddle to make a trap, the answer to the riddle set off
the trap if spoken within range. It was part of the traps and guardians
protecting a Lich's lair.
Orgruff
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Message 4022 of 6732 Reply
hey! New Jersey dm! MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 1/21/01 6:27 pm
i am a reluctant dungeon master in a small (four incuding me) group in
north jersey. we meet (or try to meet) once a month in Franklin NJ. I
DON'T WANT TO DM! We need more players and someone who LOVES (or at least
likes) to DM. I always enjoy the game more when the DM really wants to
DM. And i don't. So. Help please. I've looked all over on the web. if
you know of someplace better for me to look than here please let me know.
email me at iwantmydnd@hotmail.com
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Message 4023 of 6732 Reply
Share/Freeware Map Generator pfclink
(999/M/Under your bed. HAHAHA) 1/21/01 9:01 pm
I was wondering if anyone knew of a shareware or freeware map generator
online. Any links or sites would be helpful.
Thanks
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Re: You can check out anytime you want cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 1/21/01 10:14 pm
Hotel California is a great idea! haven't tried it because the group I
play with now consists of my 11 year old son and my 14 year old nephew.
The idea would be lost on them.
I did however DM an adventure based on the BOC song, "Don't Fear the Reaper".
The Cpl
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Message 4025 of 6732 Reply
Great site for maps orgruff
(32/M/Australia, not UK) 1/22/01 12:51 am
There have been a few posts from people asking for maps.
Check this site out for their historical maps of Europe in the middle
ages:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/historical/history_main.html
I doubt you will be disapointed
Orgruff
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Message 4026 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/22/01 8:47 am
Holy shit, Matt, where did you come up with that? I might use that one
myself (or a variation thereof).
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Message 4027 of 6732 Reply
Re: Great site for maps Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/22/01 8:58 am
Great site, Orgruff. Thanks.
Umbratikus, the map fanatic
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Message 4028 of 6732 Reply
Interested in DMing a new campaign ousterx
1/22/01 12:31 pm
Check out this club...
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dandd3eonlinecampaignsgateway
Since it is hard to get 5 people around a table for a good session f2f
of D+D, I
founded this club for D+D 3E online. My intent is for this club to serve
as a meeting
ground and play-area for like minded adults interested in chat based D+D
campaigning in
either Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms.
This is the Gateway Club, open to everyone who wishes to join...all games
will take place
in seperate, invitation only clubs, formed by DM(s) of that particular
campaign.
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Message 4029 of 6732 Reply
Meddling fools... jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/22/01 3:47 pm
I'm using The Dead of Winter adventure. The PCs were attacked by a group
of hobgoblins a few days into their journey. Most of the hobgoblins got
away, and the PCs were supposed to follow their tracks to find their hideout
(of my own creation). One did, but was called away before he finished.
Any way to get them to go back, without looking like I want them to?
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Message 4030 of 6732 Reply
Re: Meddling fools... someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/22/01 5:29 pm
Hordes of Hobgoblin pecking away at them should suffice. I used a similar
method to get a party to return to Hommlett for reinforcements before
proceeding. As an added bonus, the priest sacrficed all his precious metals
in an emergency prayer to his god, and the dwarven warrior lost his armor.
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Message 4031 of 6732 Reply
Dungeons n Dragons Community Council dungeonkeeperuk
(30/M/Leeds, UK) 1/22/01 5:50 pm
Some of you may know about this already, and some are in there with me,
oh yes you know who you are, but for those not in the know, take a peek
over at the Communiy Council..
http://www.dndcommunitycouncil.org
There's a shed load of NetBooks in varying stages and all are looking
for submissions and some for team members/leaders, take a look...after
all..
Its Your Game NOW!!!
DKUK
Community Relations Manager
http://www.dndcommunitycouncil.org
http://www.geocities.com/dungeonkeeperuk
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Message 4032 of 6732 Reply
Re: Meddling fools... jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/22/01 6:26 pm
All right, thanks for the info. However, The Dead of Winter is hard enough
for them without having to trek back ten days through sub-zero conditions
to get side-tracked by my personal Tomb of Horrors. *sigh* I'll just put
it in another time...
P.S. Speaking on losing things, I remember the time the human fighter
lost his arm to a ray of disintegration-- wielded by the elven mage...
famous last words for that mage? "Oops."
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Message 4033 of 6732 Reply
Re: Meddling fools... orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/22/01 8:36 pm
The PC's may find the body of an adventurer with a map leading to the
lair with the words "fabulous riches" scrawled on the bottom, or maybe
"sectret hiding place", "Ultimate power". Any lie that will get them where
you want them. The body could have a recognisable arrow or the body of
an enemy nearby to help them on their way.
Or maybe they could get approached by someone to go rescure a third party
from the vicious villans. just give them the feeling its important, clever
players will suss it out idiots might require information revealed to
them in the form of a dream. (this works marvelously for clerics if you
take away their spells or grant different ones from the ones they picked.)
Orgruff
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Message 4034 of 6732 Reply
Playing Again Evertree
1/22/01 10:45 pm
Thanks for the suggestions about playing on clubs. I'm part of a live
3E group that meets about once a week and I play in a 2E online club where
the players don't seem to show up very regularly. I've felt a need for
playing and Dm'ing recently, so a compadre and some alter-egos decided
to make a club.
"What I hope for here is a place where we can run a few branches of storytelling
campaigns that all interconnect..." http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thetowerofworlds
Yahoos is screwing up tonight so we only have about 5 posts so far...
you can get into ONE.
Stop by if you are interested in playing or DM'ing. Once Yahoo straightens
up, the first message is an intro and the second are guidelines... then
the first sub-campaign begins. Your character can join in the action or
you can Dm a new thread.
I hope to see a few of you join!
E.
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Message 4035 of 6732 Reply
Bloodthirst jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/22/01 10:53 pm
HELP! I'm DMing players who are absolutely bloodthirsty! First, the half-orc
barbarian (who should have felt lucky to even get in the town), went asking
about *wink wink nudge nudge* SPECIAL swords *wink wink* Finding what
is gonna turn out to be a shortsword +1 for 1500 gp (I did a rough guestimate
on the price, I didn't know where to find it), the player realized that
his character was broke. Hrmmm... I barely managed to convince him (without
seeming to convince him) that it was a BAD IDEA to just kill the guy and
take the sword (as you stand there, a town guardsman stop just outside
the shop to rest a moment before continuing his rounds). THEN the halfling
rogue/fighter (soon to be just rogue. Yet another character remake. *sigh*)
was offered a map (thank you orgruff!) "leading to his wildest dreams"
for 5 gold. Natural suspicion there. Leading the man to the front of the
tavern, the rogue completed the transaction, then asked to shake the man's
hand. Then "I'm gonna use my Pick Pockets skill!" The roll failed miserably,
and the man promptly summoned the town guard. "I'm gonna Bluff them!"
GRRR... Then the adventure had to leave off (dinner time) as I was looking
the skill up.
I don't mind the players stretching the limits of common sense/the law,
but I don't want it to ruin the adventure (which will happen if the barbarian
kills anyone. Cador is supposed to be a major focal point in the future.).
Once again, I turn to the DM's Guild for help. How do I let them know
what they can/can't do without them feeling like I'm stepping on their
toes?
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Message 4036 of 6732 Reply
Guild website jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/22/01 11:10 pm
Does the Dungeon Master's Guild have a website? If no, then I might be
able to put one up...
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Message 4037 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bloodthirst knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/23/01 12:15 am
Gotta love those wacky PCs!
JUST DON'T BURN THEM!!! (let's see how many Yahoo! Club people know what
I'm talking about?)
You could have the PCs witness the trial and execution of a band of thieves
that've been held in jail for awhile for committing the same acts the
PCs thought of doing. This may make the PCs think twice about their actions
(it's worked for me in the past), just let the PC that picked the pocket
escape this time by passing the roll or have the arresting officers just
give him a warning and take away something valuable from him (if the stolen
object is a small amount, that is).
Unless of course you wanna try to run the PCs through a jailbreak (which
can be fun as well, I've done 3 so far)?
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Re: Meddling fools... Eoganachta
(35/M/Glendale, CA) 1/23/01 12:17 am
I agree, a few more attacks from some hobgoblins should get their attention....if
not - maybe you should just forget it and move on.....to the hobgoblin
hideout that is just up the road a little ways.....the players don't know
exactly where the hideout is.....move it.
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Message 4039 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bloodthirst Scott_Gigot
(25/M/De Pere, WI) 1/23/01 12:36 am
It sounds like your PC's are either a bit new or just really reckless.
A few nights in the cooler ought to settle them down...the next time the
rogue gets sticky fingers, someone can administer a swift conk on the
back of the head, which >gasp!< will of course hit, and knock the little
bugger for a little nap...only to wake up surrounded by a bunch of burly
humans saying, "We don't like your kind, 'cept Bubba here... and that's
just 'coz he's kinda hungry..."
Drop a few hints that the guard's been watching the party, and that it
Might Not Be a Good Idea to misbehave in town. Then again, if the barbarian
(or their player) is out of control enough to take a swing at the Captain
of the guard (who just happens to live in the neighborhood Cador's planning
on turning into his private arena), then maybe it's time for ANOTHER character
re-write.
As a player, I've also gotten notes from our DM (on his special "Nastygram
from the DM" stickynotes) that, "You think this room might be a diversion."
If necessary, leave some subtle (or not so subtle) clues that maybe the
party ought to settle down for a while.
Of course, you could always indulge them their pleasures, just make 'em
pay dearly later. Or you could just be mean... Be careful what you wish
for, players...you may just get it!
"Howdy! I heared you was lookin' for a blade, good sir. I tell you what,
this here's the finest short sword ever crafted in these here parts. Never
you mind them rusty-lookin' spots, that's what dragon's blood does to
a weapon. Yessiree, this pig-sticker's slain *three* dragons! She may
not look like much, but I give you my word this blade's the finest steel
within a fortnight's ride."
"Now normally I couldn't dream of letting this baby go for under 2000
crowns, but I like you, boy. And to be honest, you look like you need
a new weapon. So I tells you what, I'll make you a deal right now--just
five hundred crowns and it's yours, if you keep where you got it from
a secret. I got other customers who'd be spittin' nails if they knew you
got a better price."
"Now, I don't got all day, so this offer's only good right now on account
of I'm leavin' town with my associates this afternoon. Whadya say there,
pal?"
"Uh, 500 crowns for a blade like that? Sounds a little steep,
but I DO need a new sword. Ok."
"Well here you go then partner, much obliged for the business. Gods' speed
to your swordarm, and good luck in your travels!"
"Hey Louie, check it out. We managed to pass off ANOTHER one a them swords
outta the kobold camp's scrapheap!"
Scott
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DM needs your help: johnny_lingster
1/23/01 7:44 am
I need your help. I do not yet have a name for my world and would like
some help in naming it.
Please stop by my site and particcipate in my poll.
I have a poll made up that lists the current names that we've come up
with. The best one picked will be the name of the world.
While you are there, browse the site and tell me what you think of it
in our new Web Board.
Thnaks..
The LingSter
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Re: DM needs your help: (link here:) johnny_lingster
1/23/01 7:46 am
Duh, would be nice to have that link huh?
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/vallamorr
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Re: DM needs your help: (link here:) knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/23/01 8:20 am
Thanks for the link! I was gonna say, "Wtf?!"
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Re: DM needs your help: (link here:) knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/23/01 8:23 am
I voted for "Ciryst".
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Need "Assassin Description" xtc2oo3
(24/M/Binghamton New York) 1/23/01 8:45 am
Can anyone Email me the "Assassin" description from the Master DM's book?
My copy was Damaged. It's under NPC'S in the monster section somewhere
between pg 29-35. thanks in advance!
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Re: Meddling fools... Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/23/01 9:18 am
I am in agreement with the others here.
Option 1: Have them attacked by more hobgoblins.
or if they have moved on:
Option 2: Have them stumble onto the carnage left by a hobgoblin attack
and either A) follow the tracks anew, or B) find a map with some enticements.
Option 3: Move the lair to where the PCs are. You can make where it used
to be just some dirty old caves; and outpost of sorts.
Umbratikus, the Reiterative.
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Re: Bloodthirst Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/23/01 9:29 am
Sometimes you just have to let your player step on their own toes. You
can drop them hints and you can give them warnings, but if they blatantly
ignore them, then you will just have to let them fall on their faces.
If the barbarian kills someone, let him be arrested and executed. If the
rest of the party doesn't make a fuss about this, they can still return
to Cador. Sometimes the PCs just have to learn the hard way.
PS. It helps if you do not, as DM, make your adventures so rigid that
one wrong move by your PCs ruins your entire adventure or campaign. The
trick is to create the world/campaign/adventure to let the PCs do as they
please. Then if they screw up, then it is just their PCs they screw up,
and not your entire adventure.
Umbratikus, the Bloodthirsty
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Re: Meddling fools... jontalisman
(33/M) 1/23/01 9:57 am
You could just have them accidentally run across an area where they are
instantly teleported just inside the Hobgoblin lair. If they choose to
step outside they would notice tracks leading back to main road. At least
they'd know where to find it then. Leave a small sample map in a skeleton's
hand to make them want to explore...
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Re: Bloodthirst jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 10:05 am
Well, I don't think the barbarian killing a merchant would wreck the campaign
or adventure. If he wasn't executed (watch the rest of the party raid
the constabulatory), he would probably face steep prices or outright refusal
of business as the word spread.
However, do you think that losing their title (yeoman) and land granted
by Lord Kulvan of Duhnraven would be punishment enough? Last time I let
the party pay the price for their actions was when we were playing Alternity,
and after they all died, everyone argued/hated me for a while. Yeah...
that's probably what I'll do... if the rogue doesn't dig himself in deeper
by lying through his teeth to the town guard.
BTW, I managed to pawn a *nearly* useless map off on them for 5 gold (most
of their stockpile of riches). However, the hobgoblin caves should make
up for that and then some. They hope. >:>
Thanks, all, and until next time,
Adieu
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Re: Meddling fools... jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 10:13 am
That would be a good idea, jon, but my players don't work that way. If
they conveniently go instantly anywhere, they bug me about making them
do what I want them to do. However, I could go on with these ideas.
The hobgoblin lair is only one of many, and the man who sold them the
map is a plant working for them. They lure adventurers into their lair
(which is just party of an underground network of lairs, connected by
caves) to kill them and take their weapons and armor to arm the hobgoblin
armies who will use the tunnels to stage multiple massive attacks. The
skeleton, if they bother to check, is holding a map that is nearly identical
to theirs, except that it leads to the lair from a different, nearby town.
That should be enough to get them suspicious. Then, if they wipe out the
small band of hobgoblins holding the lair, they can explore through the
tunnels, possibly finding other lairs if they go far enough.
Hmmm... thanks, all! :)
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Re: Meddling fools... someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/23/01 10:59 am
I just love granting clerics different spells than they have prayed for.
The way I run it is that if the clerics want to change their "automatically"
renewed spells, they have to perform a ritual and sacrifice to their god.
I have one guy who is a cleric of Hera, and he has to shave his head every
time he changes spells-which, of course limits the frequency with which
he can do this. The other cleric has to sacrifice precious metals, and
he is always broke.
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Re: Bloodthirst someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/23/01 11:03 am
I recently had a mage fire a magic missile at a merchant (actually a spy
for the temple of elemental evil) in Hommlett. Then he ran away. As we
all know, such behavior is not exactly conducive to a good DnD session.
Well, judging from the way the town was, I had the militia called, and
the mage hunted down and captured, as we was pretending to be a cleric
of st cuthbert. A brief trial ensued, and he has since been sentenced
to two years hard labor in the pits of moria. Effectively removed from
the game, while teaching everyone involved that such behavior will not
be tolerated.
If this 1/2 orc is such a problem, let him make a mistake, and then imprison
him too. he could join the mage in the pits.
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Re: Meddling fools... someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/23/01 11:06 am
Kobolds are also good, a horde of small dog like creatures that do little
damage on each strike. Simply whittle all of the players down to very
low hit points, let them win, but take a couple into unconciousness, and
let the party decide that the area is too dangerous right now, and that
they should head back into town.
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Re: Bloodthirst someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/23/01 11:09 am
Yes, I love letting PCs that just wander off into the wilderness become
lost, and stalked by wolves etc.
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Re: Bloodthirst jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 12:09 pm
Perhaps the hobgoblins could have kobold slaves to do a lot of their dirty
work for them. Like take the party down a hit point or two before the
actual hobgoblin attack. Maybe some clues that there is someone other
than hobgoblins behind all this. Cordwellyn, the head merchant of Cador,
maybe, collecting armor and weapons for the hobgoblins to lay seige on
Cador and/or Castle Duhnraven until his demands are met. As in, Lord Kulvan
surrenduring his title to Cordwellyn. Hmmm... this could go pretty far
for a little side dungeon I made up.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Creating new monsters jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 1:30 pm
I was wondering, where can I find the information on creating new monsters?
I want to make a snow ogre (actually more closely related to bigfoot and
the like) to place in the Tarn Foothills, but I don't want to make it
unbalanced, and I'm unsure what CR to give it, how much damage, what stats,
etc. Any "quick and easy" ways?
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: Creating new monsters Calitrojan
1/23/01 1:42 pm
Dragon Issue 276 goes over monster creation.
Visit the World of Lithandril and the Lithandril project at www.geocities.com/calitrojan
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levers and traps orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/23/01 5:30 pm
I've got a rogue in my party who checks EVERYTHING for traps, Maybe because
I trap lots of diferent stuff. Anyway I was thinking of putting in a lever
which does not activate a trap but it allows them to be activated.
There are traps in the room but they will not be triggered unless somebody
plays with the lever. Each trap has its own triger mecanism, standing
in the wrong place, picking up a statuette ect. doing all this if fine
unless someone has moved the lever in the last hour.
Seing as the lever does not trigger any traps (but it does allow them)
When the rogue searches it for traps will it detect as a trap?
Orgruff
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Re: levers and traps jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 6:09 pm
You know, I need help on everything else, but I'm gonna throw in my two
cents anyway.
How I would handle it is to have the rogue's player roll a check at DC
25+ (the normal level for finding magical traps). If he succeeds the check,
he might be able to determine that the lever activates something, though
he might not neccessarily know what...
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Re: Creating new monsters kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/23/01 6:49 pm
I personally would suggest using a yeti, which you could alter slightly
to fit your needs if you wanted.
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Re: levers and traps vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 1/23/01 6:59 pm
It, in and of itself, is NOT a trap. Nor does it inflict any of the harm
that traps do.
I like the idea of a DC25+ for the rogue to know it does something, but
not sure what. For all he knows he could be pulling a silenced servant
call that was once in the castle. or causing a door to open.
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Re: New Member mattbcieri
(28/M/Upper Darby PA) 1/23/01 8:17 pm
Hello Umbratikus,
you wrote:
<<
Holy shit, Matt, where did you come up with that? I might use that one
myself (or a variation thereof).
>>
To tell you the truth, I actually thought of it, while I was replying
to what ever post that started this discussion. I may have ripped off
an Idea here ot there, as I am in a campaign, where gems are used to open
magic doors.
Some of the ingrediants to a good riddle are:
It must be solvable or logical (once you tell the players the answer,
if they did not get it they sould slap their foreheads and say "OF Course")
It must not be too obviouis
It should have multiple meanings
you should find the dragons gold. If this is spoken instead of written
you can not tell if this refers to gold dragons, or some dragon's gold
horde.
Solving the puzzle should not be necessary.
The Pc's should be able to walk away from it with out solving it.
If it is necessary, there should be a time limit.
A room filling with water, or a counter weight which opens a trap door
out, are good ideas.
I have always enjoyed riddles, and know quite a few. Dome of the fantasy
writers have the heros soving devious riddles.
Remember the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The way of faith, is
that of the penatent man. To pass the trrap you must kneel.
If you want more evil traps or ideas, e-mail me, or get the Grim Tooth
traps series.
Matt
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Re: levers and traps orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/23/01 9:43 pm
> It, in and of itself, is NOT a trap. Nor does it inflict any of the
harm that traps do.
Yeah thats right, it does not effect creatures in any way but it does
effect the traps, I like the suggestion that it does something, but he
is not sure what.
Thanks guys,
I love this club
Orgruff, Trapmiester
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It hurts? jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/23/01 10:05 pm
Okay, here's a couple of ideas I lifted from an old Dragon magazine:
Drop some subtle hints to the players that something is going to happen
tonight (smile while staring at the ceiling, roll a handful of dice behind
your screen, etc.). Then, have a group of men waving swords and screaming
charge over the hill in front of them. Bam, zam. The PCs pump them full
of arrowheads and spells. One of the men gasps, "What are you doing...
orcs..." and dies. Then the orcs pour over the hill. The party is low
on spells and arrows. Don't use this for low-level character, unless they
deserve it.
Two... the slaughter-'em-in-a-dream technique. I had fun with it when
I had them awaken to a noise in the dark. A group of ogres had stumbled
onto them, and were now preparing to make a meal out of them. Since most
people don't sleep wearing their weapons, the ogres got a surprise round,
and the PCs had to spend an action readying their weapons. Massacre. Right
after they all go down, one of them wakes up with a start, drenched in
cold sweat. This could go even further if it was a forewarning, and a
group of ogres really DID come across them.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: levers and traps shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 1/24/01 3:43 am
Keep in mind that he could "disable" the lever .. depending on the workmanship,
I would probably make the DC pretty high though .. maybe even as high
as 40.
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Re: Creating new monsters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 8:11 am
Compare to the MM, and make slight modifications.
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Re: levers and traps madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 8:13 am
Clever, but I dunno, Orgruff, isn't that metagame DMing? Plotting something
specifically to foil a particular PC. So he likes to search for traps
-- more power to him.
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Re: levers and traps madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 8:17 am
Unless, of course, there's an in-game NPC who delights in creating traps
especially to trick this rogue for some reason ... hmmm ...
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Re: It hurts? someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 1/24/01 9:49 am
Hey, I like these ideas, I think I will use the orc one in my campaign,
or some slight variation on it.
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Re: New Member Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/24/01 10:13 am
Matt, actually I am usually pretty good with the riddles and traps thing,
I just liked the example you gave, particularly the statues pointing to
the secret room from different parts of the complex, and a door only opening
when the riddle on each statue is solved. I thought this was particularly
excellent (but don't let your head get too big).
Umbratikus
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Re: levers and traps Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/24/01 10:30 am
Yes, he could "disable the lever" , but that wouldn't do anything that
"not pulling the lever to begin with" would do.
My take on it is this: The rogue could not "find traps" because there
is no trap to be found (that is, unless, he has a way of following the
mechanism that activates the traps. In this case he would effectively
find ALL of the traps in one fell swoop). Like Gaijin said, he could disable
it (or just not pull it), but unless he can follow the mechanism, he cannot
detect the lever as a trap. Someone might say that if he can't detect
it as a trap, he cant remove the trap, but I would rule that he could
disable the lever using a Remove Traps roll or the 3rd edition equivalent.
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Re: levers and traps jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 10:34 am
Madteuton,
I don't think that the *possibly trapped lever* is just foiling the rogue.
For all the PCs know, if they pull it, spikes could come out of both the
ceiling and the floor (yet another dastardly trick that has given me a
permenant limp. ;P), thus effectively "foiling" the entire party. It adds
suspense, especially if you HAVE to pull the lever to get somewhere, like
into the lower levels or something.
Just me thoughts!
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: levers and traps madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 10:51 am
I see what you are saying, Jerek. However, I personally frown upon concocting
encounters especially to foil a particular character. I mean, clearly
Orgruff put this together specifically to fox this particular rogue.
As DM, I like to create my campaign apart from what items and habits members
of an adventuring group may exercise.
That is to say, never do I create an encounter while looking over a particular
character's magical item list ("ah, Portley the sorcerer loves to use
his ring of invisibility so I'll have to be sure to throw in a bunch of
creatures against whom invisibility is not an advantage ...").
Neither do I target an adventurer who uses an exceptional tactic with
an encounter designed to neutralize the advantages that tactic would provide.
That's all I'm saying. That is meta-game DMing.
Again, it is much better to create an NPC who does these things to the
PCs *in-game*. I, as DM, should never be doing them.
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Re: levers and traps jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 10:57 am
*looks at the "audience"* well, folks, you have both sides of the spectrum?
What do you say?
Though seriously, madteuton, I see where you're coming from. A diabolical
genius who has been an enemy of the PCs for a long time could build something,
but in an unpopulated dungeon or castle, it's just plain mean. Yes, I
do see where you're coming from.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: levers and traps Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/24/01 11:24 am
<>
Not I, said the [Umb]rat[ikus].
I tend to always take into consideration the "items and habits members
of an adventuring group may exercise" when designing adventures, but in
a different way. I want to try and give the PCs an opportunity to exercise
their unique skills or magical items. If there is a rogue in the party,
for example, I try to include plenty of opportunity for that character
to use his rogue skills. I might leave these aspects out altogether were
there no roque present.
Whereas I think I successfully avoid favoring any one PC, I often design
adventures around one particular PC's background or habits. Likewise,
when a player rolls a new character, I often help insert imortant campaign
themes into his backround.
IOW, I like to try and exemplify the uniqueness of each PC, and I think
I do this effectively. I mould my adventures around the PC's, but at the
same time, root it firmly in the campaign world. Keep in mind I don't
"cater" to the PCs. I just give them an opportunity to shine.
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Re: levers and traps madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 11:42 am
<>
Well-put. I do this, too. So, meta-game DMing does seem impossible to
avoid at some level ... character-specific sub-plots, etc.
I don't think it should be done in the way Orgruff has done it, the way
I've cited in my previous post.
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Re: DM needs your help: (link here:) vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 1/24/01 12:19 pm
i think Kivani sounds too much like a person's name. and moorda sounds
too much like Morder. so i voted for Arthon. (if you care)
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Re: levers and traps jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 12:24 pm
Well, I've only been running my game for a few days, so I haven't really
had much of a chance to get anything to go PC specific on, but in my other
games, I've tried to make the adventures as PC-oriented as possible. For
example, if one of the PCs has a knock spell (2nd edition i'm talking
here), then I might make a door (or four) that are locked... something
I don't usually bother with. Likewise, if there's no heavy-duty tank types
in the party (rare for my groups) then I'll cut back on the number of
monsters included. However, I don't think I've ever put anything like
a lever-that's-not-a-trap in my games just cuz a rogue checks for traps
every ten feet. Sure, if he gets annoying, the wall he checks is gonna
have contact poison on it, but... >:>
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Some notes on my world. Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 1/24/01 12:31 pm
Right now my players are in an adventure where they are trecking across
a mountain range ala Lewis and Clark. It has been a tough trip with all
of the NPC's dying to various things.
Currently they are without horses. Thousands of miles away from any civilization.
In the winter.
They are hating life.
They have just been summoned to a strange castle in this middle of nowhere.
There they find a Half Fiend/Elf lady who asks them to complete a task
for here and she will provide steeds for the party.
The party wanted to know what the task is but she would not say. They
were going to decline when one of the younger inexpirienced members said"I'll
do it my lady."
Those words inflicted a pact upon the party and they now have to search
for the Lady's evil cousin, Half Fiend/Minotaur and retrieve an Item that
his henchmen stole.
Most of this was done on the fly because my party has been inconsistent
lately with players splitting up to start their own groups and such. We
have just been getting into the swing of things.
Another thing about my party is that three of the players often have to
leave early every week and I usually have to work this into it. Well this
week they went to infiltrate the Fiendotaur's lair. The lair was protected
by an ogre encampment. The plan was to find the entrance and go in using
stealth. It was difficult enough as one of the rangers hates ogres and
plays it well. It was impossible when it was seen that the ogres had a
female elf as a prisoner. The party had a paladin. One ranger turned ogres
into pincussions as the other diced them. The paladin attacked and the
Druid attempted to back him up. The mage climbed a tall tree.
The battle was short and bloody with a ranger, a paladin, and a druid
all lying dying on the ground. The Surviving ranger went about using his
limited healing potion supply to save the characters but time had run
out for the druid. The mage keeping look out spotted two large shapes
coming out of the water. The unconscious ranger's player looked at me
and said "The ogres were a good encounter. Why are you sending trolls
at us now?" Cackling evilly I said to be continued.
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Rules jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 12:40 pm
Is there a rule for weapons shattering? I mean, a low-damage hit wouldn't
break a sword, but more damage against a hard target (door, metal armor,
etc.) might have a chance to shatter a weapon. Is there a rule for that
or do I make a house rule?
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: Rules madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 12:43 pm
There are rules for this in 3e. On or about pg. 126 in the PHB. Whatever
page "disarming" and "damage to a weapon" is covered on.
I don't remember what the rules are though, off the top o' me head.
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Re: New Member mattbcieri
(28/M/Upper Darby PA) 1/24/01 12:55 pm
Hi Umbratikus,
you wrote
<<
Matt, actually I am usually pretty good with the riddles and traps thing,
I just liked the example you gave, particularly the statues pointing to
the secret room from different parts of the complex, and a door only opening
when the riddle on each statue is solved. I thought this was particularly
excellent (but don't let your head get too big).
>>
Oopse, sorry. I have a tendancy to forget that there are tose out there
who are as good or as fond of riddles as I am. My own group is more of
a hack and slask group, and they usally ignore any riddles to be solved.
Therefore, I try hard not to make the adventure unsolvable, if they can
not get the riddle. Ir I try to use very simple ones. Or self fulfilling
prophacies.
Sorry, if I sounded too full of myself. I was only trying to
lend a hand.
Matt
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Message 4082 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rules jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 12:58 pm
Found weapon hardnesses and hps on 136 (off by only ten pages... pretty
good!). However, that doesn't tell me when I check to see if the weapons
get damaged. Either that or I need to read it better...
I guess I could have a weapon be damaged if it does more than double it's
hit points... sound good to ye?
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Message 4083 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rules madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:01 pm
I would imagine whenever is specifically targeted by an attack ... or
at the DM's discretion. If they were trying to slash down a door with
a longsword, for instance, I would have to consider how hard and strong
the door is vs. the long sword's hps ... or, something ...
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Message 4084 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:03 pm
Aha! So I'm not the only one. My group ignores all but the most obvious
attempts at roleplaying. Instead of trying to haggle with a merchant,
they'll kill him for what they want (luckily, I usually manage to convince
the others to talk him out of it). Usually, if I want to make a solvable
but difficult challenge for them , it'll be in the form of an ogre or
two, not a riddle or puzzle.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Message 4085 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rules jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:04 pm
Mebbe I'll use both? Mine for monsters, yours for doors or chests... or
walls... or trees... pretty much anything that can be hacked down, HAS
been hacked down by my group. That's why I was asking.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Message 4086 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:04 pm
Some PCs simply don't appreciate all our hard work. (sigh)
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Message 4087 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:06 pm
lol.. well, since everyone seems to be in here having a chat with the
board, why not join me in the chatroom?
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Message 4088 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:09 pm
Thanks, jerek, but I'm at work and that's a bit much for me.
Is it true that OR is ... ahem, the *beaver* state?
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Message 4089 of 6732 Reply
Errr... jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:10 pm
Um, nevermind... it doesn't seem to work...
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Message 4090 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:12 pm
I guess you could call it that. Or the land of rain and trolls. LOL
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Message 4091 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:14 pm
I drove down to Eugene from Portland once, and then from Eugene out to
the coast. Beautiful state!
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Message 4092 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:16 pm
It is. It really is. That's why we moved here.
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Message 4093 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 1/24/01 1:22 pm
Another Oregonian!!
I thought I was the only one.
Journeyman
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Message 4094 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:31 pm
Ooo, do I detect a region-specific D&D club brewing on yahoo?
oregondanddclub?
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Message 4095 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:35 pm
Hehe, madteuton... pretty sharp with that detect magic spell, aren't ye?
Whaddaya say, Journeyman? Want to make an oregon club?
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Message 4096 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 1/24/01 1:43 pm
Nah,
I suppose this one is good enough.
Journeyman
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Message 4097 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:46 pm
You guys should do it! We're up to 22 members at the NJ D&D club. It's
helped more than one member find a game in their area.
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/newjerseydungeonsanddragons
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Message 4098 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:46 pm
Righto. Where at in Oregon?
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Message 4099 of 6732 Reply
Oregon Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 1/24/01 1:50 pm
I DM in Salem on Saturday Nights.
Journeyman
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Message 4100 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:51 pm
Well, I'll make one, but I can't say anyone will join...
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/danddoregon/
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Message 4101 of 6732 Reply
Re: Oregon jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:53 pm
Coo. Hey, just cuz you join another club, doesn't mean you have to give
up this one...
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Message 4102 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:55 pm
Quool! Now, you should go through the membership lists of the larger,
general D&D clubs, find folks in OR and invite them to join. Before you
know it, you'll have a little community of people who live in OR and play
D&D.
Go you!
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Message 4103 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 1:56 pm
Thanks for the heads-up, Madteuton!
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Message 4104 of 6732 Reply
Re: Oregon madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/24/01 1:57 pm
No! Indeed, I live in Jersey and am a member of the MD D&D Club just to
lend support.
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Message 4105 of 6732 Reply
Re: Oregon jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/24/01 2:09 pm
<---Founder of the Md ADND CLUB
Thanks MAD!!
All are invited to join as well
Jojutsu
The Campaigner
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Machine bow jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 5:20 pm
I was thinking (hey, miracles DO happend!), if a repeating crossbow has
a clip of 5 bolts, could you rig it up with a crank to belt out all five
in a round (or even two or three)? I think it could be possible, if the
crank loaded the next bolt and pulled the trigger at the same time.
What do you all think?
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Message 4107 of 6732 Reply
Re: Machine bow Calitrojan
1/24/01 5:29 pm
I don't think so, as the cranking action would still require the drawing
back of the bowstring... this is wha tlimits the rate of fire of the crossbow
in the first place.
THe amount of draw needed to reload a light crossbow is so large, that
it requires a special mechanism, with a large lever to cock it. THis would
have to be replicated by your cranking system... and since your gearing
would make the system more inefficent than a simple lever, your would
either need a crack the size of timbuktu or a gear box with the appropriate
gearing for a much smaller crank to do the load, and because these gears
are using less force to pull the string, they would require many more
revolutions of the crank. (You put the bicycle into a higher gear and
pump the pedals real fast, but you are not getting as many revolutions
from the rear tire as you would in a lower gear where you have to pump
harder, but you are thus able to do a greater amount of work ... like
pedalling up a hill.)
So, no I don't think it would be possible without making the entire crossbow
so unweildy that a single man could handle it. YOu would need some type
of mounting mechanism and a person (or two) to turn the crank and another
to aim and replace the clip once it is spent. (I am assuming here you
have developed an auto firing mechanism, because it would be ludicrous
to pump this huge crank and then run around to fire the trigger)
But hey, that is just me... and I was just referred to as a malicious
person...
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Message 4108 of 6732 Reply
Re: Machine bow Calitrojan
1/24/01 5:38 pm
BUT, on the other hand... if you have a magical bow with a much smaller
draw, say with an energy based string (like the ranger's bow from teh
D&D cartoon) then you could do it with an equally inventive magical mechanism
to draw and fire the bow, something like a semi-automatic pistol... each
pull of the trigger both draws and fires the bow... allowing a PC to fir
in much the same way as a semi-automatic weapon... perhaps squeezing 1
- 2 - 3 well aimed shots off per round (depending on their attack modifier)...
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Re: levers and traps orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/24/01 5:38 pm
Yes Madtueton I could be considered metagame DMing. But should I create
new dungeons with traps that the thief can find almost automaticly? If
so whats the point? and should he still get experiance points for it?
Or should I cut back on the traps and reduce the action for his PC? I
am looking for advice and not trying to start an argument (which I hate,
arguments that is)
What the lever is all about is that the original inhabitants wanted to
protect their posessions with traps but only wanted to snare those who
did not belong and did not know about the lever. These individuals (thieves)
might pull the lever (after checking it for traps) to see weather or not
it would help them find the tresure vault which it didn't but now they
have turned the place into a deathtrap for an hour. A very skillful thief
would find lots of traps and perhaps (if not killing himself) might get
scared off. Especially if he found some of the traps and tried to disarm
them, then tested them and discovered that they did not activate. The
thief may then be in a position where he thought that a trap was disabled
but really it just was not 'turned on' so to speak.
I hope that helps.
Orgruff
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Re: Machine bow orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/24/01 5:49 pm
It could if it was magical, but I think a purely mechanical device would
be prone to jaming and string breakage.
Is there a crosbow guru in the house?
Orgruff
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Re: Machine bow jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/24/01 6:30 pm
A better device for a machine bow (even though I'm personally against
the idea but this might be a good reference) is shown in the final Tarna
sequence in the Movie HEAVY METAL. The bad guys have this device that
looks like a gun with two handles joined by an accordion type compressor...when
you pull the handle it looks like air compresses and fires a small bolt/spike.
As they pull the handle in a series of rapid motions the "gun" makes a
"shunk-shunk-shunk noise as The spikes are fired in rapid succession from
a medieval type clip.
I picture that might be similar to what you guys are referring to. It
looks like the technology might exist in a medieval fantasy world to create
something like that...but it would be a stretch.
Jojutsu
The Tarakian Defender
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Message 4112 of 6732 Reply
New Dragon Types pfclink
(999/M/Under your bed. HAHAHA) 1/24/01 7:45 pm
I have a report of a new species of dragon. A pixie dragon, its about
the size of a small bird, has all the same physical features as it larger
cousin, but its wings are normally multicolored like a butterfly's but
still has the "dragon" shape to them. In very rare specimens, its wings
and body are all one color. These are highly sought after blackmarket
pets, but unfortuantly only live months in a cage. Life expectancy in
the wild is unknown.
Its breath weapon is a "Euphoria" cone. Range about 6-8 feet with a dia.
of 2-3 feet. It feeds on insects, berries, and flowers. Before it eats
an insect it hits it with its breath weapon so the prey does not feel
any pain. The Pixie Dragon is thought to be multi-alignmented. In the
wild it is LG, when it comes in contact with humanoids it is NG, when
in captivity it is CG.
They have been know to hit wounded or dying animals and humanoids with
its breath weapon to help ease their pain. And on a few reported occassions,
have even cast heal spells on wounded humanoids. Other "known" spell abilities
are invisiblity at will and the females can cast invisiblity on their
nest, eggs, and hatchlings. During the courting season, the males display
an ability to "Blink or Flash" at night like a wil-o-wisp.
Tell me what you think. I'm always looking for new species of dragons
in case you got one or two up your sleeve. I'm sure, I'm not the only
one who likes unique dragons.
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Message 4113 of 6732 Reply
Insidious DM tricks jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 8:17 pm
Trick #1: The men-and-orcs trick (see previous postings)
Trick #2: The slaughter-em-in-a-dream trick (ditto)
Trick #3: The mercury bath. Have a glowing sword or some such pretty item
on a pedestal that is surrounded by a silver mirror. When the PCs walk
to it, thinking that they will grab it easily, they fall into a pit filled
with mercury unless they make a Reflex save (or some such) with a hefty
penalty. If they're smart, they may test it with rocks or staffs. That
would give it away.
Trick #4: The death from above trap. Make an obvious-looking pressure
plate and holes in the walls. When the PCs attempt to reach deactivate
the trap, there is a hidden mechanism that triggers a hail of spikes from
the ceiling.
Trick #5: False Pressure plate. There is, again, a rather obvious-looking
pressure plate. However, it is surrounded for at least 5' by real, well-concealed
pressure plates. Use them with the trap of your choice. Works well with
a (modified) number four... the hidden plates trigger the ceiling spikes.
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: levers and traps a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/24/01 8:18 pm
nope nope nope! it wont detect as a trap because its not a trap.
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Message 4115 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Dragon Types Sir_Bluetooth
(21/M/Kearney, NE) 1/24/01 9:45 pm
I know I am out of date with my 2nd edition books, but this dragon sounds
very simmilar to the Dragonet, Faerie Dragon, on page 89 of the 2nd edition
Monstrous Manual. The names have been changed to protect the innocent,
but the physical discription and breath weapon match almost exactly.
I mean not to be mean, merely to point out the location of this dragon
in the books. I am very interested in new dragon species, and have in
the past attempted to make some myself. Unfourtinatly they were all miserable
failures, and I have forgotten them. I am very interested in hearing anyones
ideas on dragons, so much so that I attempted to read this message 5 times
before I finally got it to come up (it kept taking me to the message list
of messages 1 thru 40...
Sir_Bluetooth the Dm who has been attempting to allow others in his group
to DM, but cannot do so with out critequing them. (I think I am a DMaholic)
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Message 4116 of 6732 Reply
Problems posting... jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 10:12 pm
Is it just my computer, or do you have to wait a while after a message
is posted to view it? On my brand-new messages, or anyone elses, it sometimes
makes me wait, and sometimes doesn't. When it does, it just pulls up a
list of messages.
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Message 4117 of 6732 Reply
On my way jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 10:19 pm
Dungeons and Dragons Oregon is on it's way, thanks to Madteuton! I now
have to members. Including myself. LOL
Jerek Steale of Salis'd'ar
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Re: New Dragon Types jerekss
(15/M/Beaverton, Oregon) 1/24/01 10:45 pm
I know how you feel... it does the same thing to me.
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Message 4119 of 6732 Reply
Weapons research (Was:Machine bow) xtc2oo3
(24/M/Binghamton New York) 1/25/01 7:42 am
This brings to mind something I have been wondering about. There are Magic
Research rules for Magic users, How about creating Weapons research rules
wich would allow nam level fighters to devise the weapon you describe?
These rules could also include Combat Research to create new combat options
beyond those already listed. any thoughts?
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Message 4120 of 6732 Reply
Spell research for clerics? xtc2oo3
(24/M/Binghamton New York) 1/25/01 7:47 am
any thoughts on expanding the Magic research rules to include clerics?
Of course this would involve Communion spells, Plus alignment checks and
possibly restricted to that Deities Area of Influence, any other thoughts?
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Message 4121 of 6732 Reply
Special abilities for Fighters? xtc2oo3
(24/M/Binghamton New York) 1/25/01 7:51 am
How about using the Combat options for fighters at 1st level and not at
9th+ a stated in the Companion set, Shouldn't Fighters be entitled to
Special abilities just like Theif Skills or Clerics turning? Any Thoughts?
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Re: levers and traps Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/25/01 8:38 am
Actually, Orgruff, I didn't see anything wrong with what you did. In my
eyes, you didn't create that lever trap to foil your PC, but to present
to him/her a new challenge. Thought it was a rather cool idea, myself.
Umbratikus, the Stroker.
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Re: Problems posting... Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/25/01 8:45 am
I'm afraid it is the nature of the beast. Probably has something to do
with Yahoo Club's network infrastructure and the amount of traffic on
their servers.
Umbratikus the Speculative
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Re: Weapons research (Was:Machine bow) Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/25/01 8:49 am
In my game, any character with the Weaponsmith proficiency can create
a new weapon type. It is up to the DM to determine the weapon damage.
I believe the Complete Fighters Handbook has success and failure rates
for weaponsmiths. This is, of course, using 2E rules.
Umbratikus the 2E Rebel
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Re: Special abilities for Fighters? Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/25/01 9:13 am
No. A fighter is just that. A fighter. Give a fighter special abilities
and then he is a ranger, or a paladin (or a barbarian, or a cavalier,
or a pirate, or whatever your rules version allows). Personally I like
the fact that the fighter class is basic with out a lot of special abilities
or rules. It is great for the player who doesn't want to mess with all
the accoutrements of the other classes. I almost always encourage new
players who are new to the game to take a plain vanilla human fighter
as their first PC. This gives them fewer things to have to think about
as they learn the game. If you want to dress up your fighter a little,
you can adopt a kit (2E).
Umbratikus the Disagreeable
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Re: Special abilities for Fighters? Calitrojan
1/25/01 10:18 am
Fighters in 3rd edition do have special abilities... they get a new feat
pretty much every level... and if they are human they end up with huge
amounts of skill points and that extra feat to begin with. In the long
run, I would rather be a fighter than any other warrior class. To sight
an example, in my campaign the two eldest members of the group are a halfling
fighter and a an elven ranger... the only reason the elven range ris around
is the halfling fighter keeps protecting him from orc crossbow bolts.
When that halfling reaches 4th level, god help us... he is amazing with
a bow and was the only member of the party to not be paralyzed by the
ghouls they recently encountered... kept firing and moving, firing and
moving...
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Re: Special abilities for Fighters? jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/25/01 1:37 pm
Fighters are great and unique in the 3E rules...they get alot of skills/feats
as was previously mentioned so they are fun to play again even for seasoned
players.
I would not allow a fighter to research/create weapons based on his fighting
skills alone. except for maybe the most basic of weapons, most of which
have already been invented. I agree that he would need a weaponsmith skill
and at least above average intelligence.
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Re: Special abilities for Fighters? kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/25/01 6:24 pm
Well, I know nothing as to 3rd edition but in 2nd edition Fighters are
able to completely max out their weapon proficiencies.
As for the lever trap, (2nd edition guy here) I believe I would make a
find/remove traps roll with a hefty penalty, and only then let him know
that it does something. Perhaps a second could be used to determine if
he can find out what exactly it does.
-Vale Darkforest of 2nd Edition
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Re: New Dragon Types a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/25/01 8:10 pm
that's in the 2e monstrous manual. im gonna use it.they are the cutest
little thing... if you need the stats, ill post them.
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Re: Problems posting... a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/25/01 8:13 pm
that happens on slow computer. on the computer im using, the messages
i post show up right away, but on my computer they take about an hour.
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Message 4131 of 6732 Reply
$10k campaign coming true_emerald_knight
(34/M/columbia south carolina) 1/26/01 8:33 am
Getting ready to start my 8th $10k campaign. My first of the net. Looking
for experienced dms to help run it as well as fine players interested
in trying to win their share of 10 grand. Anyone interested come and join
my new club and drop my a mess in my email--http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/planetmata
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Need Help kerwyn_the_rogue
1/26/01 11:49 am
ok i just got the new monster mann. and i dont know how to use the monsters
in the game how do you show they are there with out tokens?
Do you make your own?buy them please help me
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Re: New Dragon Types pfclink
(999/M/Under your bed. HAHAHA) 1/26/01 12:04 pm
Thanks for the info. I've been out of play for many years now and am just
getting back into the loop. I "thought" that there was a dragon of this
type, just wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing that up.
PfcLink the DM for the small yellow bus.
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Re: New Dragon Types pfclink
(999/M/Under your bed. HAHAHA) 1/26/01 12:07 pm
Thanks, I would like the true stats. And I would like to ask the club's
and TSR's and WoTC's forgiveness for my accedental plagerisim.
PfcLink the DM for the misinformed
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Anti ship ballista pfclink
(999/M/Under your bed. HAHAHA) 1/26/01 12:34 pm
Has anyone ever cast levitate, float, or fly on a ballista projectile?
Would it not stay level until the spell ran out and then continue to travel
its normal distance? Say perhaps you fired it at sea level, or a few feet
above, at a ship in the distance, would it not stay level until it hit
the ship, the spell duration ran out, or until it hit land. Now add to
this the idea of covering the projectile with oil and setting it on fire
right before shooting, or have a tip filled with alchemist's fire or fire
stones.
I would like your comments on this idea.
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Re: Anti ship ballista leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 1/26/01 12:42 pm
You're talking about different spells.. As for levitate - no forward motion
is indicated in the spell, just up.. I'd say it wouldn't fire any farther
than normal, and might eventually come to a stop hovering until the spell
ran out. As for fly, I think I would only allow it to be cast on an animate
object - something with a will to fly as my interpretation had always
been the recepient of the spell controls where and how it flies. A ballista
projectile wouldn't have the capacity for that..
not familiar with a 'float' spell..
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Re: Anti ship ballista Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/26/01 12:47 pm
If there were a spell that would cancel gravity for an object, then the
arrow would fly in the direction it was pointed for a much longer distance
than it would otherwise, butcause usually what stops a missile is its
target or the ground. It would eventually slow and stop do to the friction
of the air, and may be misdirected by winds. Hell, a mage on the receiving
end could perhaps cast a gust of wind spell and send it right back at
you.
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Message 4138 of 6732 Reply
Re: Need Help Calitrojan
1/26/01 5:09 pm
Personally, I use miniatures... usually not the miniature that corresponds
exactly with the monster (I picked up like 30 orcs on e-bay... everything
is represented by an orc... a red dragon is like four orcs long :-)
Our other DM uses life counters from Magic... he picked up a bag of them
at the hobby store for $5... using different colored ones to represent
different monsters.
I had a buddy use poker chips, extra dice, popcorn, well... pretty much
whatever was lying on the table...
So it is up to you... you wanna shell out $5 bucks a piece for the individual
miniatures... go right ahead. If you want miniatures at a bargain goto
e-bay, often you can pick up some grab bag stuff or large sets of slightly
damaged stuff cheaply.
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Message 4139 of 6732 Reply
Re: Problems posting... kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/26/01 5:50 pm
The way to fix that is simple. Simply copy the link location to the post,
paste it in the location bar, and do the following:
Take this for example:
http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dungeonmastersguild/bbs?action=m&tid=dunge
onmastersguild&sid=12183584&mid=4131
Now, to bring up this post, simply change the messages to post.yahoo.com.
Thus your end result would look like this:
http://post.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dungeonmastersguild/bbs?action=m&tid=dungeonma
stersguild&sid=12183584&mid=4131
That will bring up the message.
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Message 4140 of 6732 Reply
Bag of Holding kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/26/01 8:06 pm
Hey, what do you think would happen if a character took a bag of holding,
filled it with LOTS of bricks and other heavy items and stuff, and then
later on when they were attacked he opened the bag and tossed out the
bricks at once?
Just an interesting thought, it might even work.
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Message 4141 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 1/26/01 8:22 pm
I would think range would be fairly limited though..
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Message 4142 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 1/26/01 9:47 pm
It might make an interesting seige-defense weapon though .. filling a
bag of holding with flasks or oil or big rocks, or anything that would
be useful to drop from an excessive height (but would be a pain in the
rear to carry to the top of the castle wall).
As for pulling a "ton of bricks" out of a bag of holding, I don't think
it would be very useful except as a portable bunker .. IMHO, each item
must be removed from the bag individually and the person removing it must
be able to handle it easily.
s/g
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Message 4143 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding SawolErgon
(37/M/NY) 1/26/01 11:51 pm
Yeah but a single bag's worth of items would (and should) lend little
to an actual castle seige.
Now don't start talking about arming all the tower guards with bags of
holding because first of all you'd put a lot of peasants out of work and
the peasant's union would shut down your castle in a minute. Second of
all if one was powerful enough to secure that many bags of holding why
would they be wasting their time defending some lowly castle anyway.
I try to make using magic in those types of situations difficult and unpredictable
enough for the players to think twice about using it.
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Message 4144 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding offtrack abit dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 1/27/01 10:52 am
Danger Danger The Kender in the party knows owns a bag of holding and
a portable hole danger DANGER DANGER
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Message 4145 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding Calitrojan
1/27/01 1:42 pm
The peasant's union? Your campaign's peasantry is organized? Would they
really be peasants then ... or more like an empowered middle class...
or a farming co-op.... or socialist quarrymen... or that shepard who sells
wireless phones...
Hmmm, an organized peasantry... need to write that one down.
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Message 4146 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding LordMarvin
(33/M/Racine, WI) 1/27/01 2:58 pm
>>>... or that shepard who sells wireless >>>phones...
well he would have the lambskin to make those nice leather cases :)
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Message 4147 of 6732 Reply
Joe's World jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/27/01 11:06 pm
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/webdev99/joedean.html
Hey Gang...I just finished my Homepage...feel free to stop by...
Enter at your own risk
-Jojutsu
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Message 4148 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding SawolErgon
(37/M/NY) 1/27/01 11:22 pm
actually the last time peasents organized I believe it was called the
French Revolution. But you are correct, if peasents did rise up against
oppression and "the violence inherent in the system" they would by that
action cease to be peasents. Of course if one were to obtain a bag of
holding, would they still be considered a peasent?
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Message 4149 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding Calitrojan
1/28/01 12:16 am
Actually I think the last peasant uprising was the Russian Revolution
...
and it would all depend on what that peasant put in that bag of holding...
a bag of holding filled with meadow muffins... hmmm
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Message 4150 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding phatdart
(37/M/Rockland Co. NY) 1/28/01 11:31 am
but if he used the bag of holding to carry bricks to the top of the castle
wall he might be called a skilled laborer!
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Message 4151 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding SawolErgon
(37/M/NY) 1/28/01 11:35 am
and if he tossed them at the enemy he'd be a mercenary?
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Message 4152 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding phatdart
(37/M/Rockland Co. NY) 1/28/01 11:38 am
uh, that may be no differant then attacking with his pitch fork out in
the fields.
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Message 4153 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bag of Holding SawolErgon
(37/M/NY) 1/28/01 11:39 am
"what if he had a pointed stick"?
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Message 4154 of 6732 Reply
Re: Joe's World pjerks
(34/M/NY) 1/28/01 5:47 pm
>Enter at your own risk<
I stopped by, you made me feel old. But I had a good laugh =o)
PJ
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Message 4155 of 6732 Reply
Falling Spiders, how fast? VioletTwilight
(31/M/Hercules, CA) 1/28/01 6:03 pm
The setting, a barn, about 35' to the top ceiling. From this very top,
hundreds a spiders, same size and shape as black widows, swarm out and
fall down at the players below. How many rounds would it take for the
spiders to reach the players, if they fall while spinning silk lines to
the roof? Also if a player cast Feather Fall on them, would that effect
the rate? Thanks!
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Message 4156 of 6732 Reply
Re: Falling Spiders, how fast? kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/28/01 7:32 pm
I would say that they could move up to half their movement rate while
falling, and that feather fall would certainly slow them down, I'd say
doubling or maybe even tripling the amount of time until they actually
reached the ground.
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Message 4157 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Dragon Types (Faerie Dragon) knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/28/01 8:22 pm
Faerie Dragon
Climate/Terrain: Temperate, Tropical, and Subtropical Forests
Frequency: Very Rare
Organization: Solitary or Clan
Activity Cycle: Any
Diet: Herbivore
Int: Genius (17-18)
Treasure: S, T, U
Alignment: Chaotic Good
No. Appearing: 1-6
Armor Class: 5 (1 when invisible)
Movement: 6, FL24(A)
Hit Dice: see chart
THACO: 17
No. Attacks: 1
Damage/Attack: 1-2 points
Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Spells
Special Defenses: Invisibility
Magic Resistance: see chart
Size: T (1'-1 1/2' long)
Morale: Steady (11)
XP Value: 3,000
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Message 4158 of 6732 Reply
Faerie Dragon stats (pt. 2) knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/28/01 8:39 pm
Age Category
MR = Magic Resistance
-Hatchling (1-2 HP, Color: Red, MR: 10%, Wiz1/Pri1)
-Very Young (3-4 HP, Color: Red-orange, MR: 16%, Wiz2/Pri3)
-Young (5-6 HP, Color: Orange, MR: 24%, Wiz3/Pri4)
-Juvenile (7-8 HP, Color: Orange-yellow, MR: 32%, Wiz4/Pri6)
-Young Adult (9-10 HP, Color: Yellow, MR: 40%, Wiz5/Pri7)
-Adult (11-12 HP, Color: Yellow-green, MR: 48%, Wiz6/Pri8)
-Mature Adult (13-14 HP, Color: Green, MR: 56%, Wiz7/Pri9)
-Old (15-16 HP, Color: Blue-green, MR: 64%, Wiz8/Pri10)
-Very Old (17-18 HP, Color: Blue, MR: 72%, Wiz10/Pri11)
-Venerable (19-20 HP, Color: Blue-violet, MR: 80%, Wiz12/Pri12)
-Wyrm (21-22 HP, Color: Violet, MR: 88%, Wiz14/Pri13)
-Great Wyrm (23-24 HP, Color: Black, MR: 96%, Wiz16/Pri14)
Abilities: All faerie dragons can communicate telepathically with each
other within a range of 2 miles. They can also speak their own language,
as well as those of sprites, pixies, elves, and the birds and animals
of their area.
They can become invisible at will and can remain invisible while still
attacking. They attack as 4 HD monsters, as well as having a chance to
employ the magical abilities of a wizard (45%) or priest (35%) of listed
level.
Priest spheres accessed are: Animal, Plant, Elemental, and Weather.
Breath Weapon is a 2' diameter cloud of euphoric gas (vs. Breath Weapon
or wander in bliss for 3d4 minutes) - unable to attack and AC is worsened
by 2. Cannot attack, but may attempt to focus on current situations with
an Int check.
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Message 4159 of 6732 Reply
Re: Faerie Dragon stats (pt. 3) knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 1/28/01 8:47 pm
Basic tactics:
Faerie dragons will turn invisible and use their breath weapon, spells,
or attack.
They usually avoid combat and never intentionally inflict damage unless
cornered or defending their lair. They can also count on support by faerie
and pixie allies.
Faerie dragons live in the hollows of high trees, preferably near ponds
and streams, due to their fondness for swimming and diving.
They eat fruit, vegetables, nuts, roots, honey, and grains. They are also
fond of fruit pastries and have been known to go to great lengths to acquire
one.
Hope that helps you some!
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Message 4160 of 6732 Reply
Re: levers and traps Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/29/01 8:16 am
<>
I would like to throw in my 2 coppers.
I agree with MadT on, I would not create a encounter based on what a particular
PC has or does not have. When you start attacking a certain strength or
weakness, you have started a DM vs. the Party game. I personally play
to have fun and follow a story line, not constantly fighting for my life.
Nyvek MHORC
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Message 4161 of 6732 Reply
Re: New Member Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/29/01 8:26 am
Instead of trying to haggle with a merchant, they'll kill him for what
they want >>>>
The way to cure that if you want to send them a message. Every action
has a opposite reaction.
You kill a merchant and the local constable arrest them. He just happens
to be a high level adventurer type. Then you hold a trial and they get
life in prison. Then ask them what they want to do. Roll up a new character
or sit there and pretend there in jail. I would try to foil all jail breaks
or if you allow them chase them unmercilessly.
Then I would explain to them this wouldn't have happened if they tried
roleplaying the merchant.
Nyvek MHORC
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Message 4162 of 6732 Reply
Re: Special abilities for Fighters? Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/29/01 8:39 am
They do have special abilities. They beat the crap out of their opponents.
IMHO You would unbalnce the game if you gave them to many special abilities.
Nyvek
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Message 4163 of 6732 Reply
gaming table amra11_2000
(33/M/Haverhill, MA) 1/29/01 9:07 am
Our group is in the planning process of building a gaming table. I am
hoping you guys can give me some ideas from your own tables.
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Message 4164 of 6732 Reply
Your opinion please... Jiriki13
(31/M/Chicago area) 1/29/01 9:17 am
I am currently running a 2E campaign and the average party level is 9th
level. I have adventures planned for this group up to 15th+ level. I have
worked very hard to try and connect those adventures through subplots,
etc. I wanted to know if you other DM's think that I should go through
the work of converting all of those modules to 3E or just finish what
I have planned and then start a serious 3E campaign?
Dave
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Message 4165 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/29/01 9:23 am
I bought some grid sheets from a local D&D store...and sandwiched them
between two pieces of plexiglass. The board sits on my own table..the
players can put their miniatures on the board..we can set up for battles
on the fly, and in a pinch you can draw on the plexi with washable markers
to create maps/rooms/etc...I also made some generic shapes/squares out
of colored paper onto which I xeroxed the same grid pattern, so I can
put these under the glass and line up the grids to make buildings/hallways
etc. Good system..sets up easy..relatively inexpensive. I even used Marble
copy paper so trhe rooms look like dungeon halls. So far it works great.
Hope this helps
Jojutsu
The Creative
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Message 4166 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 1/29/01 9:28 am
I'd say finish what you have started, then go to 3e.
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Message 4167 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/29/01 9:37 am
Convertings a lot more work. Plus, it's probably not best to cut your
3e teeth with 9L+ characters. If you are going to make the switch, make
it clean and I would recommend starting with a 3e 1L group.
Nothing wrong with running a 2e game and a 3e game simultaneously until
you can affect an easy switch.
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Message 4168 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/29/01 9:37 am
Jiriki,
You don't want my opinion.
Umbratikus, the Steadfast
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Message 4169 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table Calitrojan
1/29/01 9:51 am
I bought one of those falding tables from a local school... you know 6-7
feet long... used to eat lunch on them. Then I went to Wal-Mart and bought
a 6x3 dry erase board, and using a yard stick (also appropriated from
a local school) and a permanent marker I drew square grid on the dry erase
board..... now I use dry erase markers and minatures to run my battles,
as setting up is easy, you just draw it out with an odd color marker (blue
or red or green) and go. The grid-board sits on top of my school surplus
table and we all sit around it.
You can get those tables at office stores for like 30-50 bucks, but I
suggest hitting the garage sales, classifieds and thrift shops to find
one... I got a 7 footer for $8 (they threw in the yardstick for free!)
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Message 4170 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... Calitrojan
1/29/01 9:57 am
If you are running a homebrew campaign, think of it like this... not only
do you have to convert the PCs, NPCs, modules etc... but everything else.
Unique monsters, dieties, high level NPCs (this is a real pain in the
butt). I started this and said, "Dang it! This is WORK! I am not doing
it!"
so instead of converting, I told the party that was running aroun din
2nd edition, you have two weeks to finish up and then we are converting
all out. Scrapped everything and started over... (Making a whole new campaign
from scratch -- actually using the Dungeoncraft articles to guide me along
also). so now we have a low level party running around in a brand new
3rd edition campaign.
And I know wha tyou are saying, Umbratikus is right (thought I would let
him know your opinion, jus tin case he was new and hadn't heard it the
300 other times) 2nd edition is just good enough... and making anew cmapaign
is too hard... then use mine (or one of the 1,000 others on the net) or
wait till the FR set comes out and use it... or just use Greyhawk (buy
the Gazzeteer... itll help).
If you want a look at mine check my site www.geocities.com/calitrojan
If you choose to use it, just e-mail me and let me know. (I can provide
you with CC2 maps, or JPG maps and such that we haven't put into the site
yet... my web designers has a Real job that keeps him from it for weeks
at a time.)
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Message 4171 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/29/01 10:10 am
Has never stopped you before ...
:-p
"You crazy kids with your screwy d20 gaming systems ...!"
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Message 4172 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/29/01 10:14 am
Probably the wisest way to do it.
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Message 4173 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/29/01 10:31 am
<>
LOL. Okay guys, I can take a hint. I didn't realize I was being quite
so overt (overt, yes, but not that overt).
Actually, I have often fantasized about starting a brand new campaign
world and scrapping my old one. Next to character creation, campaign creation
is probably my favorite DM activity. If you have the time to do it right,
it is just plain fun. However, I (and my players) have a lot of history
in the old one and would hate to see it go. Actually, since my campaign
world consists of only two continents, I am thinking about creating the
other continents to satisfy my campaign creation craving.
<>
We should work out a way that the members of this club can exchange CC2
files. These maps are time consuming to make, and more than once I have
found myself scouring the net looking for an appropriate city layout or
a floorplan for a temple or castle.
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Message 4174 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/29/01 11:38 am
I usually run my games in a local store, so permanent modifications to
the table are Right Out. I bought a largeish dry erase board and left
it blank... I plan to just draw on whatever I need, when I need it. A
grid might make things faster, I guess, but... well, I hate to clutter
up a nice, white board with a lot of black lines. Silly hangup, I
guess. (The bonus is I can use their wargaming terrain when I need to...)
Two friends of mine just bought a new table so our group could play at
their house. It has a drawer in it for tablecloths and stuff, but they
plan on keeping paper and pencils in it. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Message 4175 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/29/01 12:56 pm
We went to the hardware store and bought some plastic coated styrofoam.
Then with a permanent marker we drew hexes. All we need to do now is add
washable color markers to make a dungeon or wilderness. It easy, inexpensive
and won't scratch your table top. (which keeps the wife happy)
Nyvek MHORC
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Message 4176 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... Draco77
(37/M/Forgotten Realms Ohio) 1/29/01 12:58 pm
I would finish the campaign in 2E, You don't want to switch systems with
high level characters. Converted is a long process. It would be better
to start 3E with first level characters, so you will have a learning curve.
Nyvek MHORC
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Message 4177 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/29/01 1:14 pm
Just a suggestion...
When I created my 3E world I used the same world only I jumped ahead 1000
years in the future of the past games...
you could do something like that...that way you get to keep the same history...
jump ahead 100 years or so, so its all new people/characters and you canb
even bring back some old ones as 3E if you get inspired..or take one of
the current pcs and in the future he/she is a really high level npc...
The players would enjoy that, you get to revamp your entire world, and
you dont lose the history component that I think adds so much to a world.
Hey..it worked for Star Trek.
Jojutsu the Historic
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Message 4178 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/29/01 1:17 pm
I have a heavy table of cherry, with clawed feet and decorative carvings
aroung the outside, reminiscent of a royal medieval piece of furnture.
Where I sit is equipped with a built in privacy screen and is equipped
with a computer where I can keep all of my notes, CR2 software, and various
other custom D&D tools. Each of the player areas have pop-up computer
screens where I can show them graphical representations of monsters they
encounter, or elaborate dungeon rooms. I also use these screens to send
secret messages to a single player or subset of players. In the center
of the table is a horizontal holographic projector screen, where I can
simulate any kind of terrain or structure. The players can put their minatures
on this screen, so no drawing on whiteboards is necessary. With a recent
software upgrade, I can now use animated holographic monsters to attack
my player's minatures instead of using miniatures myself.
Each chair matches the table in style and is equipped with insulated cup/can
holders and silent back massage features. Also the chairs have tiny electrodes
where I can send mild electric shocks to players who are falling asleep
or those who generally piss me off.
Umbratikus, the Full of It.
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Message 4179 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 1/29/01 1:53 pm
<< ... a heavy table of cherry, with clawed feet and decorative carvings
... etc.>>
*LOL* I thought I was the only one.
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Message 4180 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/29/01 2:28 pm
Lacking electrodes, I've decided to start bringing a water spray bottle
to my games.
GM: "The elven high priest turns to you and says..."
Rude PC: "I want to go off by myself, and I'm going to interrupt your
narration to tell you so."
GM:
Hey, it works for cats...
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Message 4181 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/29/01 3:32 pm
LOL...Yeah it worked for "Mini-Me" also...
...thinkin about gettin one of those spray bottle myself...lol
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Message 4182 of 6732 Reply
Re: gaming table and CC2 maps Calitrojan
1/29/01 4:34 pm
YOu mean to tell me that everyone doesn't use the spray bottles??
Sheesh...
Anyway, my web master is working on puttin gup some of my country and
county maps, but as far as cities, we haven't even decided what to do
about those... as we are limited in space on geocities... we have thus
far come up with some creative solutions... though most are illegal.
I don't use dungeon designer to do floorplans and dungeons, it is way
to labor intensive... though I plan on using it in the future for some
of my more daring projects.
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Message 4183 of 6732 Reply
Re: CC2 maps Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/30/01 9:23 am
Profantasy has come a long way with their software. Does anyone remember
the old DOS version of CC? You had to be an engineer to produce anything
with it.
What if we posted thumbnails in the Photos section with the owner's email
address as the caption. Then if anyone wanted it, they could email the
owner and the owner can email the CC2 file back (assuming it is small
enough to email).
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Message 4184 of 6732 Reply
Noise, Noise, Noise jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 1/30/01 2:22 pm
I have a good question for DM's...
I recently had a player express concern over the amount of noise/idle
conversation/distraction that goes on in my game. While I have DM'd a
great number of years it has always been my experience that people like
to chat and make jokes and things especially when they are triggered by
game events. While I love the jokes and dont want to take away from the
players having fun, I can also agree with the player that it gets rather
out of hand.
What do you suggest to keep players focussed on game events without taking
away from the actual enjoyment/jokes and fun? I have tried giving extra
exp for roleplaying but it didnt seem to affect the situation much.
J
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Re: Noise, Noise, Noise vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 1/30/01 2:56 pm
i ran into the same problem. i shortened my games so that the PC's attention
span wasn't pushed to its limits. but i think a certain amount of chit-chat
and other out of game conversation is just gonna take place. if it is
excessive, just tell your players it is getting out of hand and take suggestions
from them.
i also shortened the amount of time i would do one-on-one roleplaying
like when my rogue would wander off into town. all the other PC's would
get bored and start conversations among themselves.
vah-
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Message 4186 of 6732 Reply
Re: Noise, Noise, Noise Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/30/01 3:36 pm
I had that problem at one time. What I did was make a rule that anything
the player says, his character says in the game. I automatically ignored
this rule when the player was obviously asking questions of the DM, or
performing some other game function, but the rest was fair game.
Imagine the ire of the other players when the thief was sneaking up on
the guard for a backstab and the mage started up a conversation on the
new Aerosmith song. The guard turned and kicked the thief's @ss as the
thief called for the help of the rest of the party, who were busy beating
up the mage.
After the fight was over, and the thief and the mage were getting their
wounds tended to, a conversation ensued.
Fighter: "What is an arrow smith anyway? A maker of arrowheads?
Bard: Nah, the mage said it was a kind of song. Never heard of it though.
Druid: Perhaps it was a new type of bird with a pleasant song, but for
the life of me, I've never heard of an arrowsmith.
Thief: What ever an [ow] arrow smith is, [ouch] find out so we can put
it on his gravestone, 'cause I'm gonna kill'm.
Mage: [sulk]
Umbratikus
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New here...Anyone in the Chas WV area? Kimball_G
(23/M/Charleston) 1/30/01 6:15 pm
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Message 4188 of 6732 Reply
Re: Your opinion please... a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/30/01 7:03 pm
id say dont even bother with 3e. if you are gonna do 3e, finish your current
campaighn.
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Re: Your opinion please... a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/30/01 7:06 pm
speaking of deities, could someone give me either the 2e or 1e stats for
the goddess bastet? i have a great plan to use her in my huge dungeon.
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Bast(et)? SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/30/01 8:27 pm
Are Bast and Bastet the same goddess? (Egyptian mythology is *not* my
strong suit).
I've got stats in front of me for the FR version of Bast, who becomes
Sharess. They've got her avatar down as:
Thief 23, Mage 18, Spellsinger 18, Cleric 16, Fighter 16
AC -3 MV 15 sprint 45, HP 172, Thac0 10, # attk 2 or 4/1 (thrown daggers),
Dmg 1d10+7/1d10+7 (claws +7 Str) or 1d4+10 (daggers +3 +7 Str), MR 70%,
SZ L (12' long great cat or 7' tall female.)
Spells: P 7/7/7/6/4/3/1, W: 5/5/5/5/5/3/3/2/1 + special (something weird
about spellsingers... can't help you).
Saves: PPDM 4, RWS 4, PP 7, BW 9, Sp 5
Raking attacks in either humanoid or feline form.
If in feline form, if both forepaws hit, she gets 2 rear claw attacks
for 1d12+7 each. She pulls her daggers +3 out of the air, and they disappear
after striking or 1 round (if they miss).
Can shapechange into any felineoid form, retaining defenses, AC, and immunities.
Can see through the eyes of any cat if she puts her mind to it.
Avatar must be killed 9 times before fully destroyed.
Immune to enchantment/charm, illlusion/phantasm, and harmful necromancy.
Can't be hurt by her own daggers; damaged only by spells or magical weapons
+2 or better.
Plus all of the standard stuff for a goddess of her level (demipower).
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Re: New here...Anyone in the Chas WV are Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 1/31/01 8:21 am
I was born there, does that count?
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Re: Bast(et)? a_d_ddude
(13/M/Cooper, TX) 1/31/01 9:05 am
yes, they are the same. she also has i think 3 other names. could you
tell me where you got these stats, i want to make a campaign circling
around the gods, but this is all i really need. thank you.
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Re: gaming table karrakain
(37/M/London, UK) 1/31/01 9:10 am
I have used a different option - a metallic whiteboard and sheets of magnetised
rubber (you know - the stuff that thin fridge magnets are made of - fridge
poetry)
I ruled the magnetised sheets into 30mm squares and then precut many different
shapes and sizes for hallways / Rooms etc.
This has the advantage of being portable, staying put and is very adaptable.
I can also draw on the rubberised parts to show points of interest on
the map. It's in scale with the miniatures I use as well
All in all this was a very cheap option as I only had to pay for the Whiteboard.
2c from Karrakain
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Message 4194 of 6732 Reply
Re: Bast(et)? SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 1/31/01 10:34 am
Bast/Sharess (in a 2nd ed incarnation) is in "Powers and Pantheons" for
Forgotten Realms.
If you want a god-centered campaign in 2nd ed, I highly recommend the
"Faiths and Avatars" series. The first book (Faiths and Avatars) is more
or less exclusively FR gods; the second (Demihuman Deities) deals with
the generic demihuman powers that seem to show up in most TSR game worlds.
The details are FR specific (like the Major Centers of Worship). The third
and last book is "Powers and Pantheons," which details the minor Faeurunian
powers and some of the other panetheons. The Mulhorandi pantheon is closely
based on Egyptian mythology; I forget if there are other parallels as
well.
Also for 2nd ed is the blue book, "Monster Mythology," which has some
details on various monster gods. It's out of print, but you might find
it online or through a local gaming store.
For 1st ed, "Legends and Lore" is available for free download, although
I forget exactly where. It has stats for historic and mythic figures and
powers, and includes a lot of different earth pantheons. It's in MS Word
format, I think, and you can't beat the price.
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replacement characters vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 1/31/01 4:49 pm
Anyone want to share advice on introducing a new character to the game
when one of the PC's bites the dust. should they get to come in the same
level as their old char that just died? or should they start at 1st level?
or somewhere in between?
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Re: Noise, Noise, Noise sassallan
(41/M/Telford UK) 1/31/01 5:26 pm
I have the same problem.
What I do is let them have a few comments to start with and then say OK
lets get on with the game. That works for a while and then the whole proccess
starts all over again.
What can you do but keep at it.
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Re: Your opinion please... orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/31/01 5:45 pm
I changed over into 3rd Ed from 2nd and I regret changing. It caused a
lot of headaches and has been the source of inter-player bitching.
I had constructed the whole campaign so that I could change it when the
change came and it had been my plan since day 1 I only wish I had known
what the new ability score bonuses had been as the Characters with lots
of 14's suddenly had huge bonuses to all sorts of skills and stuff where
before they had none. Also I told the players that I only wanted them
to pick skills and feats related to stuff that they had done or had tried
to do. Lots of them found out that searching was a cross class skill and
hence devoted no skill points to it, and instead devoted them to stuff
they had only done once over the course of months of play. When they had
meticulously searched every room for secret doors.
In an effort to be fair I also allowed players to change character decisions
that were based purely on the game mechanics of 2nd Ed. This was also
a mistake.
My group was 6th level at changeover we should have kept playing 2nd ed
and started fresh when I had run out of prepared stuff.
Orgruff
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Re: replacement characters dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 1/31/01 5:46 pm
depends on the game and the cause of deaTH ... personally if it's the
player thats killed off their pc on purpose cause they didn't like something
that happened to them i say 1st level at lowe levevs or mid way bwteeen
1ts and lowest level pc in party if middle to higher levels but never
hight then their old pc... if the Dm killed the pc for the story line
then same level of = to old pc experiece if multi leveled pc.... introduce
is always easy if in a dungeon or something incorpurate some kind of rescuse
same if out in the wild if in a city type thats easy run acrross in a
taveren or some kind of market place thats appropate the pc's invoved
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Re: Bast(et)? dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 1/31/01 5:51 pm
"Monster Mythology,out of print bummer it's such a great book for 2nd
Legends and Lore is ggood for 1st and 2nd edtion printings it might take
aliitle customizing to bring up to date
Faiths and Avatars is cool also
personally i like to use all of the above + dragon Mag. deites to make
up my pathood taking aliitle of each to make the best around .... but
for 2nd i lean on dragon mag and "Monster Mythology mostly for my gods
as for 3rd useing old sources but updating them for 3rd and the gods in
the phb ... can't wait for 3rds publishing of their gods and deties
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Re: Noise, Noise, Noise dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 1/31/01 5:55 pm
I've had the same problem how i get around the excess noise and limit
it some is to have important events and information come out when they
are getting too noisey and if they miss it then it's their fault and they
learn dam i could have used that info we missed back when we were ...
also it has a tendecy to keep 1 pc paying attetion who learns what the
others don't and then when that smart pc uses the 411 they get tohe bonus
exp and everyone starts to pay closer attetion to whats going on ....
after all each pc whats to level up as quick as they can and as much as
they can to gain more power etc... i hope this helps you out
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Quick End to a Campaign kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 1/31/01 6:37 pm
What would happen if someone cast Permanency on a Time Stop spell?
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Re: Quick End to a Campaign orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 1/31/01 8:37 pm
Since timestop affects only the caster I'd say the caster gets removed
from the campaign, He can cast heaps of spells, travel the world ect but
anything he does will not take effect until he dies from old age at the
end of the round.
Thats if the DM allows the player to succesfully research casting permenancy
on time stop.
Optionally the caster could dispel his own permanancy before he dies of
old age.
Orgruff
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Re: replacement characters Calitrojan
2/1/01 12:17 am
They come in at 1st level in my campaign, that is why my group is beginning
to spread out in levels, Halfling Ftr4, Elf Rng3, Gnome Wiz3, Human Wiz2,
Elf Clr2, Elf Mnk2
It makes the group very diverse and allows the more "experienced" characters
a chance to serve as mentors and protectors to the lower level PCs that
have come in... like my party's Halfing Ftr4 acts as a protector to the
two wizards in the party, who feed off one another's spell books.
As far as bringing characters into the game, that is why I make them create
a somewhat detailed background (I had a potential group member throw a
fit over this requirement... he said he never heard of such a thing...
creating a PC background before you start play).
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Re: Bast(et)? knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/1/01 2:21 am
For my campaignes I usually use these for my sources for powers and what-not:
Monster Mythology
Monster Manual I (1st Edition)
Monster Manual II (1st Edition)
Legends & Lore (1st and 2nd Edition)
Faiths & Avatars
Powers & Pantheons
Demihuman Dieties
Tales of the Lance
Drow of the Underdark
Planes of Chaos
as well as some other Planescape material.
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Re: replacement characters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 8:34 am
I tend to do it just like Calitrojan. 1st level all the way (complete
with detailed character backgrounds). This can cause a diverse group of
levels, and could prove more challenging for the DM when designing adventures.
In my current campaign, there are only two players. Because of my hard
and fast 1st level rule, one is 6th level and one is 2nd level. This made
adventure design difficult. I had to make sure the adventure was equally
challenging for both characters. This is easier said than done.
One thing, though. When a 1st level character is introduced to a higher
level party, he tends to raise levels more quickly than if the entire
party was low level. This is becuase of the generally higher experience
point value the adventure contains. Also, because of the way xp requirements
are scaled by level (2e), the party levels tend to balance out more as
time goes on.
I am big on story-line continuity in my game, and have been toying with
the idea of allowing the player of a deceased PC to take over an NPC currently
in the campaign. The rule I would make here would be that the NPC would
have to be at least one level lower than the lowest level PC in the party.
This way the story line is more believable, because the NPC moves into
the spotlight and a new character doesn't just appear out of nowhere to
replace the fallen PC.
Any feedback on this?
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Re: Your opinion please... Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 8:46 am
Orgruff,
I think in your case I would have migrated the PCs myself and just handed
them over the the players and said "Okay, here you go. Here are your characters
converted to 3E rules." I know the DM has a lot to do besides PC management,
but in this case I would have made an exception.
Umbratikus, the Control Freak
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Re: Bast(et)? Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 8:52 am
My human pantheons are all original deities. Oh sure, I have taken ideas
and parts of ideas from Dragon, from Deities and Demigods, On Hallowed
Ground, Faiths and Avatars, and other sources to create these pantheons,
but they are still original. The Complete Priests Handbook (2e) is a great
resource also for creating your own gods.
For Nonhuman deities, I use the Monster Mythology, On Hallowed Ground,
and Dragon Mag sources, with a few originals thrown in where needed.
Umbratikus the Godmaker
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NPC -> PC SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/1/01 9:34 am
That's a nifty idea, Umbratikus. I can see two possible stumbling points,
both of which are fairly surmountable.
1) There's no NPC that the player wants to play. If a player feels like
he's been made to play a character he doesn't like, he'll be sullen and
sulk, and might even try to get the NPC killed off in revenge.
2) Ownership conflicts. "Brom would never have done that!" "Yeah, well,
I'm playing Brom now!" As long as the maturity level of everyone at the
table is high enough, this shouldn't be a biggie, I think.
I'm trying something similar. My campaign is moving forward 18 years,
and I'm enouraging PCs to pick new characters who are the children of
old PCs or NPCs just getting started in adventuring. Some of them have
considerable backstory attatched. That's an attraction to some PCs, and
a burden to others.
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Re: replacement characters Demonic_Cultist
(26/M/Monticello, MN) 2/1/01 10:00 am
One thing I have started doing is getting the PC's interested in Henchmen
and Hirelings. Whether some of them join to simply carry baggage, to seek
training from the PC's, or just to take a spear in the neck, they are
there, and always less powerful.
My rule for new PC's has been either 1st level or 4 levels lower than
the lowest PC (whatever's higher).
I'm hoping that if a PC bites it, if they wanted to get back into the
gam real fast, they could take one of these Henchmen/hirelings, it it
wouldnt destroy continuity.
After all, when you have a group of 8th level peeps that have adventured
together for a long time, surviving medsuae, dragons, beholders..they're
pretty tight, and it takes i pretty big miracle for them to accept some
'new guy' who bumps into them at the Mystery Drumstick stand in the Bazaar.
To clarify a bit, I tend to run henchmen to some extent and not give them
totally to the player like some DMs do. So the player has a lot of sway
the the hench does, but not everything. In that context, i think of henchmen
a lot differently that NPC's. I tend to get pretty attached to my NPC's
and fear that if I let a player take one of them over, I would be too
critical of the player, thinking, 'he would NEVER do that!!'
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Message 4211 of 6732 Reply
Time to learn spells Demonic_Cultist
(27/M/Hopkins, MN) 2/1/01 10:26 am
How long do you guys think it takes to 'learn' a spell (2nd edition),
not research one. Do you have hte player just browse the book and boom,
he's got it? or does it take a few days, weeks? I've never found that
in any of the manuals.
Thanks!
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Re: NPC -> PC Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 10:42 am
Bard,
<<1) There's no NPC that the player wants to play. If a player feels like
he's been made to play a character he doesn't like, he'll be sullen and
sulk>>
I was going to offer the NPC as an option. If the player wants to roll
a new 1st level PC, that would be fine, too.
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Re: Quick End to a Campaign madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/1/01 12:09 pm
Nicely handled, Orgruff.
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Re: replacement characters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/1/01 12:14 pm
I admire your method, brat, of letting out-of-play players take over an
NPC. Most of the players I have DMed would be rather picky about this,
but I like to think I can concoct an intriguing NPC -- I'm going to try
this and see how it floats in my campaign.
Thanks for the idea.
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Re: NPC -> PC madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/1/01 12:20 pm
These stumbling blocks are overcome, I should say, in my campaign because
I truly set out to entertain the PCs when I roleplay NPCs. That way, they
get a feel for what the NPC is like and what s/he might do. If a PC acts
out of character, I think I would assign an ep tariff or penalty for lousy
role-playing just as I would if they were badly playing their own character.
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Re: replacement characters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 1:03 pm
You're welcome for the idea, Mad. Let me know how it goes in your campaign,
because I haven't tried it yet. I've just been thinking about it.
Umbratikus, who lets others playtest his ideas.
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Re: replacement characters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/1/01 1:57 pm
*LOL*
Cool, brat. My PCs are unwittingly walking into a Sahuagin ambush right
now so I may have an opportunity to try it as early as tomorrow evening.
They're cautious and suspicious (promise of free treasure), but those
damnable sea devils have some very effective tactics worked out for their
ambush.
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Re: replacement characters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/1/01 3:26 pm
Cool. Let me know how it turns out.
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Re: replacement characters and tactics Calitrojan
2/1/01 4:00 pm
See, now this is where I get bummed. I throw out a big nasty monster and
the party dispatches it easily, as they seem ot have the tactics of flanking
and firing from afar down... but I still manage to take out at least one
party member per encounter when I switch from on hig powered monster to
multiple smaller creatures with a solid and well thought out plan of attack.
I have been reading a lot of Vietnam War histories and novels and have
adapted some pretty nice squad tactics to my monsters... the party just
doesn't seem to be able to counter them... when they do I am sending my
player's concepts and battle plans to the pentagon... maybe we can fix
that whole Vietnam problem.
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Re: Quick End to a Campaign kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/1/01 5:38 pm
Thanx, it was an interesting idea I've been pondering over for quite awhile
now.
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Re: replacement characters cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/1/01 10:26 pm
That is a problem that I have had so I fell back to a idea that a former,
rather nasty DM let us do. He would let us use 2 characters per player.
It worked pretty well in his campaign because someone was always bound
to die. And when they did they we had the other guy to use.
This may not work in a game where the players are not prepared to handle
playing two roles without automatically making their two guys buddies
all of the time.
The Cpl
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Re: Quick End to a Campaign orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 2/2/01 12:23 am
Thanks Mad.
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Re: Time to learn spells shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/2/01 4:41 am
We usually just assume that the wizard has been studying all of the spells
in his books (not just the ones he memorizes) all along (mostly in his
spare time), and when he has enough experience, he finally understands
how to cast higher level spells (or if his INT goes up, how to cast other
spells of lower level).
However, if your players are really badgering you for mechanics, I would
rule:
(1) A wizard can effectively study new spells for a number of hours per
day equal to half his intelligence (ie: INT: 15, 7 1/2 hours)
(2) A wizard must be able to study uninterrupted (no travel, adventuring,
etc.) for a number of hours equal to the spell level to attempt to learn
a new spell. (ie: it takes 3 hours to try to learn a 3rd level spell)
(3) A wizard must be able to memorize the spell to be able to successfully
learn it (and thus, test it). (ie: a 5th level (non-specialized) wizard
can only successfully learn one 3rd level spell per day .. if he has an
intelligence higher than 12 and 6 total hours to study, he can try to
learn another spell, if his first attempt fails)
If you want to be a real prick, keep a record of the PC's spell book,
but don't tell him any information about the spells in it that he hasn't
learned .. that way it really is a mystery to him until he tries to learn
it. A "read magic" spell should allow him to try and figure out what's
in the book .. but the minimum time to identify a spell he doesn't know
should be one turn per level of the spell. "Detect Magic" may tell him
the level and school of the spell, but that's your call.
s/g
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Re: Spell research for clerics? DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/2/01 7:29 am
Since Clerics get their power from Gods, there would be no point to them
researching spells, since the Deity would still have to grant the spell.
I can imagine that if someone came up with a good idea for a new cleric
spell that you could allow their God to grant it.
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Hello All DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/2/01 7:32 am
I am new to this group, so hi. I have a question about CR in 3rd Ed. Since
the CR is set for groups of four, how do you all deal with larger groups?
I have a group of 6, and I can't get the encounters to match up very well.
They are either too hard or way too easy. If this has already been discussed,
could you point me to some previous posts that handle this?
Discordian*Kind of new to DMing*Stooge
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Proficiencies knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/2/01 7:45 am
Just out of curiosity, did anyone ever create a system to show the passage
of time as characters learned new proficiencies, whether weapon or non-weapon
(btw- 2nd Edition, still haven't really checked out 3rd Edition yet).
I've been using the rule of rolling 3d6 for the number of months it takes
the character learn said proficiency(ies; 3d6 months per slot btw). This
applies to the slots they get for free upon reaching certain levels or
the proficiencies they have their characters learn in game from seeking
out a mentor, while not wanting to wait for the level achievements.
Does anyone think this is a good amount of time for the learning of a
new skill?
ex. Swimming could take anywhere from 3 months to 1 year and 6 months,
whereas Weaponsmithing could take from 9 months to 4 years and 6 months
to learn.
-Knightmare6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Re: replacement characters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/2/01 8:10 am
Rolled up a whole slew of campaign-specific NPCs last night with brat's
suggestion firmly in mind (probably the best way to learn 3e -- rolling
up a bunch of variously classed characters). I'm actually kinda *hoping*
one of the PCs will die during this sahuagin ambush just to see how it
works out. Is that evil?
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Re: Proficiencies Jiriki13
(31/M/Chicago area) 2/2/01 8:17 am
The only problem I can see with this system is that it takes alot of game
time from the characters between adventures. It does seem pretty accurate
and realistic though. It does make sense that it would take multiple years
to learn how to pick up the skills necessary to be considered able to
actually earn a living as a weasponsmith. I'm sure that in real life back
then apprenticship lasted at least this long and maybe longer(don't quote
me on that though). One thing you might consider is maybe to subtract
from the die roll for characters with a high intelligence since they probably
have more capacity to learn quicker. Maybe something like -1 from the
die roll for every point of INT over 12; with a minimum of 1. Just an
idea. I do like your system though. I might use it in my games; if you
don't mind.
Dave
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Re: Hello All pjerks
(34/M/NY) 2/2/01 8:35 am
>>Since the CR is set for groups of four, how do you all deal with larger
groups? I have a group of 6, and I can't get the encounters to match up
very well. <<
For a party of 6, I add 1 to the suggested CR. For a party of 8, I add
2. For example, a CR6 should be a good challenge for 6 level 5 characters.
And a CR7 should be a good challenge for 8 level 5 characters.
That's the method I use and it seems to work well for my group.
PJ
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Re: Proficiencies leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 2/2/01 9:16 am
Training time always seemed to get more in my way than the players, so
I don't use it.. I generally go on the assumption that, while they pick
up new skills, etc., they have spent the time learning these new skills
as they picked up the experience points to go up the level.. or the 3
levels in the case of proficiences, etc..
Most of my games are designed around level advancement 'on the fly', meaning
they could walk in a dungeon 2nd level, and walk out 3rd or 4th (just
an example..).
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Re: Proficiencies SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/2/01 9:40 am
At the risk of getting into rather baroque and complex rules variants...
You could do something with how *well* someone learns something, given
an amount of time. I just can't see it taking a year and a half to learn
the breaststroke, especially if you have instruction. Three months is
a good window to get the basics of, say, Swimming down.
Now if you want to be a really *good* swimmer, I could see the year and
a half bit.
You could play around with starting them out at the Skills and Powers
default proficiency level then raising it to the 2e 'stat + mod' level
(if higher... it usually is) as time goes on...
lol, like I said, needlessly complex and baroque.
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Post?? madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/2/01 2:57 pm
Yay! We can post again!
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Re: Proficiencies shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/2/01 9:51 pm
Again, we usually just assume that the PC has been trying to figure out,
or training, or practicing, or whatever is required, to gain the benefits
of the proficiencies he gains upon reaching a new level. (The same would
go for skills and feats in 3e.)
Having the proficiency only gives the PC a basic knowledge/skill with
whatever the proficiency is, it would require continued practice and application
of more proficiency slots before he would be considered a professional,
and even more before he would be considered a master.
For example, a fighter with long sword proficiency only know how to use
it well enough to not suffer any penalties to hit .. but a specialist
gains a bonus to hit and damage and can attack more often. (Since he is
a professional fighter, however, his ability with all weapons, even those
he is not familiar with, increases as he gains experience.)
Levels are an arbitrary measure of a PC's experience, as they constantly
improve their ability and knowledge, and while that explanation does not
sufficiently describe the mechanics involved with such progression, some
things are better left to imagination.
s/g
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Re: Proficiencies knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/3/01 3:38 am
No problem feel free to use it, I just wanted some feedback on how it
feels for everyone else and I got healthy answers.
I do take into account characters with high intelligence (16 = -1 mnth,
and so on).
Cool, thanks for the info guys!
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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FOUL WEATHER ! helixgames
2/3/01 5:54 pm
Thought that would grab your attention ! Looking for help, suggestions,
advice, etc on weather systems. Feel free to send them to me if you wish....I
just got my "world" up and running (drew that whole damn thing on ProFantasy
Software) and I am putting the finishing touches on it...like weather.
You can either post here or email your stuff to helixgames@yahoo.com.
THANKS ONE AND ALL ! J.
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Re: FOUL WEATHER ! Scott_Gigot
(25/M/De Pere, WI) 2/4/01 1:18 am
Congrats on finishing your world.
There are probably two ways to handle weather, depending on how much you
and your players enjoy excruciating detail.
The first way would be simpler--if the players are prepared for weather,
there would be minimal game effects except in extreme (stranded in the
desert, lost in an arctic waste during a blizzard, etc) cases. Rain would
cut down visibility by 1/2 or 3/4 and make any sort of dex check tougher,
and anything susceptible to water damage (scrolls, bow strings, etc) may
need to make a save in heavy rain. Snow will also cut down visibility,
and traveling through snow will reduce speeds by 25 to 90%. However, as
long as characters have warm clothes for winter travel and don't stay
locked in their full plate in the desert sun (etc.), you could ignore
the weather.
To predict the weather, you could always find a forecast for a place on
our boring Earth with the same climate and use their forecast. If you
wanted to be able to make up the weather spur-of-the-moment, consider
that USUALLY the weather doesn't change that much from one day to the
next. You could figure maybe a 1 in 4 chance of a significant change (cold
front coming in, etc), and a 1 in 12 chance of a big change or event (thunderstorms,
exceptional but non-hurricane winds, significant snowfall). Depending
on the season and location, you could figure a 1 in 100 chance (or less)
of really wacky weather--hailstorm, sandstorm, tornado, hurricane, or
blizzard. This last group would definitely qualify as events that with
severe gameplay effects.
If you love nothing more than tables and rules, the 1st ed. Wilderness
Survival Guide has several pages for predicting the weather, dressing
for weather, taking shelter in bad weather, exerting onesself in heat
and cold, modifying ability scores, and more. I can see using some of
these rules (if you had the book), but I think as a whole they introduce
realism at the cost of too much effort.
I don't know what your world's map looks like, but there are going to
be some terrain features that make their own weather. The windward sides
of mountains (especially big ranges) will be snowier/rainier, and the
lee sides drier. Obviously, flat and mostly treeless areas will tend to
be much windier. Ocean currents and jet streams can make certain areas
near shore colder or warmer than expected, and the closer a land area
is downwind of a big body of water, the wetter it will tend to be (and
often vice-versa).
For example, take the northern US. The Pacific Northwest tends to be mild
and wet because the winds blow in off the ocean. The mountain areas in
Washington and Oregon tend to get a LOT of rain, but the eastern side
of the Rockies are quite a bit drier (because the air's used up all it's
water already). The northern Great Plains are also a LOT colder and windier.
I live in Wisconsin, which is pretty flat but somewhat wetter (which is
sort of tough to explain; we're even farther from the water, and I don't
live in an area that gets much lake-effect snow (like Buffalo, NY)). It's
a little bit warmer during the winter here than South Dakota, I'd guess,
because there's a little more terrain to slow down the winds. At the same
time, it's cooler during the summers. The jet stream tends to cross over
Wisconsin several times a year bringing storms and choosing whether we
get cold air (and hellacious snowstorms at times) from Canada or much
warmer, more humid air from down south. New England is also at about the
same latitude; the weather is similar except for the coastal areas, which
can be warmed by the Gulf Stream ocean current. They also can see some
nasty storms (and the occasional hurricane) blow in from the Atlantic,
but they don't have to worry about tornadoes.
Hopefully this helps; I rambled a bit more than I intended to.
Scott
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ranger two weapon fighting amra11_2000
(33/M/Haverhill, MA) 2/4/01 4:07 pm
I'm a little confused maybe someone can help me out.
When I rolled up my ranger on the character generation program that I
downloaded from Wizards it says that my ranger (wearing studded leather)
receives no penalty for fighting with two weapons.
When I looked in the PHB it states that I should take a -2 penalty with
each hand.
Which one is right?
When I say "no penalty" I am not including my melee modifer which the
program says is 4 with each hand.
Thanks for any help.
Jim
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Re: ranger two weapon fighting DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/4/01 5:25 pm
The Ranger receives the Two-Waepon Fighting and Ambidexterity feats free
when wearing studded leather or lighter. If you were using a light weapon,
the penalty would be -2/-2. The PCGen was wrong, or took that into account
when puting the numbers together.
Discordian*Ranger Lover*Stooge
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Anyone running a 3rd edition campaign Sargon_Starblade
(25/M/San Diego, Ca) 2/5/01 2:14 am
I guess that the only way I am going to understand all of the third edition
rules and changes is to see them in use. I have players asking when I
am going to start running 3rd edition rules, I keep telling them when
I feel comfortable with my knowlege in them. Is any one running a third
edition game in the San Diego area, that I could join in on to learn all
these rules first hand?
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Organization Name DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/5/01 3:26 am
I have, in the world I am creating, an organization. It is a good organization.
They are smart and wise fighters, mages, and priests. They are modeled
loosely after the Jedi, more after the FR Harpers, except they aren't
secret. (Well, they are at the moment, but it's a long story not necessary
to delve into at the the moment.) They are considered law eneforcement
in the 4 main kingdoms of my realm, and owe allegiance to no kings. My
problem is, my original name for them was The Rangers (After the crook
bustin' Texas Rangers.) This was fine and dandy when I was just writing
stories involved in the world. Now I want to run a campaign there. It
will be far too confusing to call the org. Rangers, and the Character
class "Woodsman" or "Mountaineer" (or "Swamp Guy" etc.) Does anyone have
a good organizational name that is simple (One word would be best) and
doesn't move in on any class or standard group in the world? Any help
would be appreciated.
Discordian*Things were going well, until the universe sort of collapsed
on itself*Stooge
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Re: Organization Name cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/5/01 4:03 am
I have a secret a similar org in my camaign. They are also modeled after
the Jedi Knights. I call them the Mystic Warriors.
The Cpl
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Tallows Deep cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/5/01 4:42 am
About 7 years ago, I played an adventure called "Tallow's Deep". It was
a rout. I loved it though. I think it was in Dungeon Magazine #18. Does
anyone know where I can get a copy of this adventure. I'd love to send
my current party on this one.
The Cpl
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Re: Organization Name shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/5/01 4:54 am
One such group that existed in an old (Expert D&D, IIRC) module set was
called "Diviners" (but since that's a specialist wizard class, now ..)
How about "Arbiters"
s/g
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Lousy Surviving PCs madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/5/01 9:34 am
Didn't get to try the "here's an NPC for you to play" experiment Friday
night as all the PCs survived my Sahuagin Ambush. Well, two were downed,
but ultimately lived, that is.
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for sale...READ ME!!!! dndoverlord
(M/The fantastical reaches of t) 2/5/01 9:54 am
I have for sale one 1978 player's handbook in great condition and 3 1978
Monster Manuals also in great condition. I will be taking offers until
Valentine's Day, at which point I will sell to the highest bidder...I
will post every other day to inform you of the highest bids. You must
EMAIL ME with a bid. My email is on my profile.
Thank you, and good luck.
Surien
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Re: Organization Name vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 2/5/01 12:23 pm
This may be too hookey, but how about the Guardians?
lame suggestion person
vah-
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Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Again! Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 2/5/01 12:23 pm
I go to all of this trouble to create a very powerful nemesis for the
pc's to fight and what do they do? The blow though the beast barely breaking
a sweat.
I created a 3rd level half-fiend/minotaur fighter for the party to challenge
and provided items to help them in defeating this monstrosity, but what
do they do? They run in, win initiative, and smack him down. He didn't
even kill one pc! My pcs are all about level 2-3. I had to take some creative
liberties towards the end and give him a dying final attack. He managed
to kill one pc who was brought back with an item the party was given.
Oh well. YOu can never predict what is going to happen for sure if dice
are involved.
-Journeyman
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Re: FOUL WEATHER ! Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/5/01 12:55 pm
There was a cardboard insert to Dragon Mag ages ago called Weather in
the World of Greyhawk, which I used to use for my campaign until it mysteriously
turned up missing. Can't remember what issue it was in, but if you have
access to the CD-Rom Archive, you might be able to find it.
Umbratikus the Vague
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 1:39 pm
Doncha just hate it when the PCs do something like that? I had a similar
experience recently with a stag beetle. There are just too many PCs (10)
and they kicked the shit out of it without a wound amongst them. Of course,
the following week they got the crap kicked out of them by 45 kobolds.
They all came back unconcious except for one, who was leading the horses.
Do you want your PCs to go through hell? Well, send them two weeks into
a forest, then have them journey through a shallow watered bog (6" to
18" water depth), where they can only find dryland every once in a while.
Make them sleep back to back in the water (and getting leeches all over
them), make them starve, and have to eat rats, birds, and leeches (ewww).
Let them finally get to the swamp inside the bog. Oh yeah, lets see, they
could lose almost all their weapons by fumbling in the bog (happened so
many times it was almost sad). Then finally reach the river, only to go
the wrong way and end up (two weeks later) back on a road. Then they could
go the wrong way, and end up even further from their goal.
Finally, they can stumble into town, dirty, disheveled, half-starved,
carrying crude weapons, wearing sacks for boots, and just being generally
miserable.
Now that is how to wear down a party. (HA HA)
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Re: for sale...READ ME!!!! someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 1:41 pm
Try ebay, there AD&D items are selling like hotcakes.
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Re: FOUL WEATHER ! someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 1:47 pm
It is a pain in the @ss, but weather, and moon phases adds a great deal
to a D&D session. My current PCs have started the Temple of Elemental
Evil on July 1st (gametime). Several months ago. The game time now is
November 17th. I use only 28 day months, so that 4 weeks goes into a month,
making your job easy. I keep track of special events (such as a cleric
of Hera shaving his head in order to pray for different spells). I base
the weather more or less at a whim, based on the current locale (tropical,
mountainous, etc), and the current month and week. You wanna see a miserable
bunch of PCs? Make it rain on them a few times when they go out. Screws
up the infravision too. MY PCs are getting close to winter, and snow is
on the way. Yeah, just try wearing metal armor, having a shield strapped
to your arm, and carry a metal weapon when it is ten degrees outside.
As for the moon, PCs tend to freak out when the moon is within three days
of full. A few well placed and timed wolfhowls (at night) sets them on
edge until after the full moon has passed. Seems like everyone in AD&D
worlds has heard of werebeasts.
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Re: Proficiencies someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 1:51 pm
What I have always found is that PCs have decided what they want to learn
long before they are able to learn it (via Slots). Thus they often spend
time while walking, or while resting in town, practicing their desired
skills. Maybe the fighter would go and work with a carpenter and learn
the basics of carpentry, then practice on his own. I find that by doing
this, there is no need to take time to practice gaining the proficiency.
Just indicate to the PC, when you feel the time is appropriate, that they
have become proficient enough in swimming, to be able to swim now.
Dunno if this helps.
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Re: Time to learn spells someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 1:53 pm
By learning, I take it to mean finding a copy of a preexisting spell (say
MM), that they don't have in their spellbook. In my worlds, they must
find scrolls and successfully copy them (using the proper ink) into their
spellbooks.
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Re: Noise, Noise, Noise someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/5/01 2:02 pm
Tough one.
I have used an encounter every time things get out of hand, and my PCs
have gotten the clue, but it really didn't stop the problem. I most recently,
have taken to a survivor style of AD&D, looking to eliminate four players
from the game so that it flows better. I watch the interaction between
the players, not between the characters. Those who cause problems get
their characters killed or imprisoned or something. Then they are given
a warning indicating to them that they are making the playing of the game
difficult. I have yet to have to go beyond this point, it is amazing what
requiring a half page of a characters history each session, as well as
the threat of excommunication will do to a bunch of players.
I know, I know-I am the meanest DM around Colorado Springs, and I am.
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Re: Anyone running a 3rd edition campaig Calitrojan
2/5/01 2:11 pm
Actually, the best way to learn 3rd edition is to jus tod it. After reading
the books, we were still confused. So we ran a stand alone adventure to
get used to the mechanics and then wen tinto our our campaign. We are
still getting used to things and I have players who uses actions just
to help us see the rules in work (Like Bull Rush and Suffocation rules).
If you need a pre-made 3rd edition settin ghave a look at mine. www.geocities.com/calitrojan
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Re: Time to learn spells Demonic_Cultist
(27/M/Hopkins, MN) 2/5/01 2:52 pm
I was thinking and wondering along these lines: Angry Joe finds a spellbook.
He can cast 3rd level spells but doesnt have any. this new book does.
Fireball. cool. --How long does it take him to lean it? 1 hour? 1 day,
a week? X amount per spell level?
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Knocked Uncoscious Demonic_Cultist
(27/M/Hopkins, MN) 2/5/01 2:54 pm
Fir 2nd edition, I believe there are some rules on knocking a fellow out
cold. Could someone point me to the book and page, or perhaps reiterate
the info here? Thanks! DC
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Re: Anyone running a 3rd edition campaig dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 2/5/01 3:00 pm
3rd edtion is easy to learn it's alot like alterity if any of you have
played the game you'll find 3rd easy to learn ... also 3rd seems to combine
the best features from red blue book 1st and 2nd edtion games into one
supeior game !! I recomend picking up an issue of dungeon magizen or other
3rd edtion moduel for the first few games and run the advetures to get
the hang of it athen just wing it as they say !! me I'm still abit confused
on the damage reductionb but I'm starting to get the hang of the rest
!! feel free to drop me an questions in here or for quicker anwsers in
yahoo messenger anytime?
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/5/01 3:24 pm
That happened to me once. I had this relatively high level illusionist
as a nemesis for my low to mid level PCs. They chased him through three
adventures, and had built the atmosphere so they were sweating bullets
when they finally came face to face with him. Then they took him out in
the first round of combat.
Umbratikus the Dumbfounded.
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Re: Organization Name DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/5/01 3:47 pm
"Arbiters"- I like that- I flirted with that one for a while when I realized
I was changing the land over. I think I'll use it for now. Since the group
(in the game world) is going through a little "Retooling," it may change,
so I can always change the name if I find one that I like better. Thaks
a lot for the suggestions!
Discordian*Radioactive Monkey*Stooge
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai Calitrojan
2/5/01 4:19 pm
Right now my players are chasing around the henchman of this very powerful
mage. The henchmen and the party have had some run ins and th eparty is
thinking "Man if this guy is this tough, his boss is gonna mop the floor
with us." I am thinking, "Dang it! They knocked my henchman down to 1
hp and I barely made it out with my objectives complete! His boss is gonna
have to be one tough mugger to wipe the floor with these guys"
So, now that the party is in full chase after the henchman, they have
completely forgotten about the big guy... I think I will have to give
them a brief and painful taste of him, just to put them into caution.
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Re: for sale...READ ME!!!! dndoverlord
(M/The fantastical reaches of t) 2/5/01 4:40 pm
I don't have a credit card...can't use eBay...:(
surien
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Re: Organization Name leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 2/5/01 5:27 pm
What did Jedi mean before Star Wars made it a household name.. I think
nothing.. Just be creative, i.e. the Kopu, the Bensi, whatever..
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Re: Organization Name MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/5/01 9:24 pm
how about "the Cadre"
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/5/01 9:35 pm
yeah. but when something happens to spoil all your plans, fudge. say your
players get init and all attack successfully and they KNOW they caused
200 hp damage in the first round, they did roll their own damage after
all. imagine how freaked they'll be when your beastie wipes the blood
off his chin, grins an evil grin, and wades right back in... technically
its cheating, but game play and drama are more important than the letter
of the law. if it makes you feel better, if they win in the first round,
make sure they win, but draw it out and make it more dramatic.
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Re: Organization Name MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/5/01 9:39 pm
how about "the Guild"
or "the Journeymen"
or "The War Pigs"
or "The Fairies in Boots"
or "the Iron Men"
oops, had the ozzy turned up to high.
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Re: Organization Name jontalisman
(33/M/Honolulu, HI) 2/5/01 9:46 pm
Companions/Companions Guild/Companions of Zed <--insert name of choice
here
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Re: Organization Name Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/5/01 10:54 pm
The Swords of Justice (or just "The Swords" for short).
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Re: Organization Name Eoganachta
(36/M/Glendale, CA) 2/5/01 11:45 pm
I think a great trick is to buy some english-to-irish....or english-to-finnish...or
whatever language...and base your worlds languages on them. I don't want
it to be exact, but it can be very helpful in making place names and or
different languages exsist - without a huge time investment on your part.
And it makes the names more coherent and related, if you have four major
'races' or societies, buy four different books, and base each one on a
seperate language. (there are also web based language dictionaries, I
use this one quite often, as my elven language is based on Welsh.)
http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/LexiconEW.html
In gaeilge (gallic) all these other names that have been suggested are
great. BUT-you have to have started naming thing this way from the beginning
- as
Na Complacht
Ord Rua
Aes Dana
Mor Reacht
Orga Duine
Ardroani
could all work based on this language.
(the company)
(red order)
(men of art)
(great law)
(goldenmen)
(high ranges)
I know this doesn't help you, but It may help others that are thinking
of making their own world.
for the future....
Eog
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Message 4271 of 6732 Reply
Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 2/6/01 12:45 am
Yeah, I did that by giving the boss all of his attacks right before he
died. It was real dramatic since they all knew he was dying, but gave
them a sense of intense danger.
-Journeyman
Fudger of the rules.
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Re: Organization Name Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 2/6/01 12:48 am
Sweet, name them after me. I get royalties though.
-Journeyman
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Re: Organization Name DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/6/01 3:26 am
Actually, I think it's a great idea. I've used a lot of gaelic in my place
names (One player caught on and named his familiar Cuchulain... it's a
weasel, so it's a good inside joke.)
Thanks everyone for your ideas
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/6/01 5:12 am
I know how you feel. One time I had this 10th level invoker in a tower
ready to ambush the party. As the party was coming up the steps the invokers
jumps out and starts casting lightning bolt (it would've really messed
the party up). The lowly 4th level mage wasn't surprised and he won initiative.
He cast web and caught the Invoker in the doorway. The LB fizzled. And
the Invoker was defeated. Now all of my badass big bad guys at the end
usually have a Ring of Free Action
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted Evertree
2/6/01 11:41 am
My players twarted me when I confrionted them with an illusionist, too.
The were in a town picking up supplies before the main adventure even
started. Ofcourse they went to a "magic shop" that was actually a load
of flashy crap with *Nystul's Magic Aura* cast on it run by some low level
thieves and illusionists.
I was shamed to see how a couple of 1st & 2nd level illusionists with
a wand of illusion could totally defeat a party of 8th & 9th level adventurers.
There they were, being hit by shadows that formed into fuzzy minotaur
shapes, and silent clouds that appeared out of nowhere... no one disbelieved
a thing.
I think one player was still standing when the spell expired on the illusion
he was battling. He noticed a small person in the corner and promptly
slew the young frightened gnome. The human with the wand was hiding beyond
a panel and escaped.
No treasure, just a group of adventurers who thought they were dead and
one feeble little 1st level dead gnome. Later in the same town BEFORE
my carefully planned adventure, I think the party successfully destroyed
a vibrating bed, and a mirror in the ceiling of the same bedroom. It was
a brothel, THEY fed the gold coins into the magic mouth on the bed, THEY
pushed the button on the wall... shouldn't they have expected something
for the money?
I don't think they ever made it to the dungeon that I had so painstakingly
constructed.
now THAT is getting twarted by the players.
=(
E.
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Evertree
2/6/01 11:56 am
"Yeah, I did that by giving the boss all of his attacks right before he
died."
I don't know.
As a player, if I went into single combat and killed something that was
stronger, faster and more deadly than I and I went uninjured, I'd like
to see the awesomeness of what I had just accomplished. Any group could
kill the creature if strong enough, a great hero could do it while taking
an injury or two... but if I killed the bastard in one blow, then I think
that is an amazing tale all in itself.
WHen my players have been exceedingly lucky and creative in overcoming
obstacles placed in front of them... I don't automatically increase the
danger or drag on the combat. Sometimes they are rewarded by my look of
astonishment, anger and total frustration that they mastered the situation
so quickly. When that happens, they know that their characters are truly
heros even in the scope of the epic game world.
That's where the heros get their freaky names,
Laron Ironaxe, the Sevenstriker, Skullcleaver, and Dreadspell. Feller
of the Severed Oak. These names refer to really cool stuff they did.
Not too many are named, Laron the Nearly Dead, Carrier of Bodies, Friend
Reviver, He of the Last Two Hit Points.
I often had to adjust the battle up or down to make the game interesting
for the players, but some acts deserve to be left as they are. Imagine
the amazement of a party who realize that they had the skill to slay a
dragon in one round.
I babble...
E.
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/6/01 11:59 am
Yeah, but, from the player side of life, it's good to let them do that
once in a while. They'll remember it, get puffed up, talk about how badassed
they are, and generally feel good.
This way they will hate you less when you pound them the week after. :-)
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/6/01 12:46 pm
I pound them every week, and relentlessly. The weather pounds them, rolling
1s on a d20 while standing in water pounds them, drowning pounds them,
wolves stalk their every move, intrigue and plots surround them that they
are barely aware of, poison snakes bite them in their sleep, their armor
and equipment are in tatters and rusty, and best of all, they are all
poorer than dirt. They can't even finish one obstacle before three more
are thrown up before them. Misery stalks their every step into the wilderness.
The year is getting late, soon the snows will begin and a whole new kind
of misery will replace the rains. If they ever DM for me, they will take
great pleasure in killing me in a most hideous manner, I am sure.
But even with all my relentless pounding they keep coming back. Even fighting
with their third choice of weapons, they still confound my encounters
and slay beasts that no 1st or 2nd level characters should be able to.
I guess that is just the nature of the game.
I think the best part about it all is that there are two clerics of Dunatis,
who are constantly sacrificing all of the PCs precious metals, and a rust
monster whelp that requires iron to survive. The only treasure safe in
this group are gems.
And still they foil my plans. I will get them yet.
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Re: for sale...READ ME!!!! someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/6/01 12:48 pm
Sure you can, pretty much everyone can. I do not put my CC# on the net,
I use money orders and have never had any problems buying items on ebay.
I recently picked up 2 Dieties & Demigods, 2 Fiend Folios, 2 1st ed PHBs,
an MM2, etc etc etc without a CC. Give it a shot. If you want something
from D&D, it is there at ebay.com
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Re: Time to learn spells someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/6/01 12:50 pm
He simply must copy it into his spellbook using the appropriate high quality
(and very expensive-heh heh hehhhhh- ink). It doesn't take any (significant)
time to copy into his spell book, although their is a chance of failure.
It will take him time to memorize the spell each and every time he casts
it though.
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Calitrojan
2/6/01 3:22 pm
I have to say, some of my players have come up with a few interesting
names for the others in the group, Woodshadow the Arrow Taker, Ranaver
the Orc Cleaver, Nafflar of the Broken Bow and my personal favorite, Angola
the Drowned ... who's name shall always live on in infamy, as long as
Nafflar and Woodshadow are around to tell the tale of him and his diseased
monkey and the underground river.
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Re: Time to learn spells Calitrojan
2/6/01 3:26 pm
3rd edition has a rule on copying from a spellbook, it involves the spellcraft
skill.. I will research it and get back to you.
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Message 4283 of 6732 Reply
vampric mist bobthefish6
2/7/01 7:11 am
do you reckon that you can get rid of a vampric mist using a dust devil
spell or would you use a higher level spell
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Re: vampric mist shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/7/01 7:45 am
>> do you reckon that you can get rid of a vampric mist using a dust devil
spell or would you use a higher level spell
hmm .. from the 2e MM pg. 254
"The touch of a vampiric mist drains 1d8 of blood." (so they shouldn't
be able to damage a creature with no blood)
"Normally, a vampiric mist is damaged only by magical weapons or by spells
that effect air." (so a 'dust devil' would be able to effect it)
From the 2e PHB pg. 259
"The dust devil can hold a gas cloud or a creature in gaseous form at
bay or push it away from the caster (though it cannot damage or disperse
such a cloud)."
So, yes, for two rounds per level (the duration of 'dust devil'), a dust
devil would be able to keep a vampiric mist from attacking, and might
even be able to drive the mist far enough away that it cannot detect the
party. ("Vampiric mists automatically sense the presence of any warm-blooded
creature within 50 feet.")
Would I give full experience for the encounter? Only if they never had
to venture back into that area, it's a very clever temporary solution
to a potentially dangerous encounter (for low level characters).
A vampiric mist, while being a fairly nasty 3 HD creature, is still only
a 3 HD creature. However, they are fairly intelligent (8-10) and chances
are he'd remember the priest who kept him from feeding, and take his revenge,
if the party wandered across him again shortly after the first encounter.
s/g
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Re: for sale...READ ME!!!! dndoverlord
(M/The fantastical reaches of t) 2/7/01 8:05 am
I am not buying, I am selling. You have to have a CC to sell on any online
auction site.
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2/7/01 8:38 am
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Re: vampric mist cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/7/01 8:50 am
I'd make the Vamp make a save, but if he failed, my ruling would be that
he would have have to turn back into his physical form.
The Cpl
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/7/01 10:12 am
I started a 3e campaign awhile ago and have been slowly easing my way
into the 3e waters while testing just how powerful a party of 3e 1L characters
is.
Seven PCs: 2 Fighters, 1 Monk, 1 Druid, 1 Rogue, 1 Barbarian and 1 Wizard.
First, from my Wandering Monsters tables, I threw a wild boar at them.
They spotted it from a distance and shot it full of arrows and bolts before
it even got close to them (so, I noted their ranged attack strengths).
Next, another wild boar (unspotted) leapt from the surrounding scrub and
charged headlong into the thick of the party (got to see how they managed
in H-2-H on a low-CR encounter).
Following that, I rolled a 98% on my Wandering Monsters tables (they're
traveling days through trackless wilderness) indicating a rare Dire Boar
encounter. They managed to kill it with the help of two crits, but it
took the more powerful fighter and the barbarian out, who both were successfully
stabilized (but I saw how they stack vs. a higher CR4 encounter).
Just recently, they stumbled into a Sahuagin Ambush. Several CR2 critters
with minds, tricks and tactics. There was some net-throwing, bull-rushing,
charging, a lot of attacks of opportunities. A wild and exciting melee!
The barbarian and the monk were downed, and several of the other party
members took upto 4/5 damage!
So, I'm slightly, but steadily scaling my encounters upward, trying different
things and varying encounters to get a better sense of what they can take
while learning 3e at the same time.
It's working well for me. The next encounter is more complex still ...
--madteuton, still a 3e newbie
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Agai madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/7/01 10:22 am
This is why many intelligent adversaries would rely on tactical advantage,
magic, minions, devices ... all to deal successfully with a powerful group
of heroes.
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Re: vampric mist Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/7/01 10:25 am
Ahh, but lets not mix our monsters here. Vampiric Mist is a monster unto
itself. We are not talking about a vampire in gaseous form. In that case,
I wouldn't force the vampire to save or revert. It would be the vampire's
choice, because the DD would probably be able to keep its gaseous form
at bay. In it's physical form, the vampire could probably obliterate the
dust devil and then move on to the PCs.
Gaijin said he probably wouldn't give full xp for bypassing the vampiric
mist in that manner. I might, if it was an original idea from the player,
although I would be inclined to give the xp to the casting player alone.
If they then had to encounter the character again, then I would spread
out the xp between the combatants, but still giving a hefty bonus to the
spellcaster for the original idea.
Umbratikus, who is quite fond of creative and unconventional spell uses.
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unconventional spell uses Evertree
2/7/01 11:51 am
Speaking of unconventional spell uses...
There's alot of awesome and scary-for-the-DM stuff you can do by combining
4th and fifth level spell effects. I hate it when my players get that
far and then actually start reading the spell descriptions and experimenting.
I hate to mention this one, but the odds of my gaming with people here
are pretty low. Think of *Stoneskin* and *Polymorph Other*. Think of a
sheep or even a troll morphed into the shape of a cloaker or another such
broad and thin bodied monsters. I won't say any more.
How about just plain old polymorphing charmed warhorses to griphons or
pegasai? You can travel quickly and it looks absolutely fab rolling into
town, but I wouldn't recommend it without a ring of featherfall or some
protection against *dispell magic*.
Some more sensible spell uses include making booby traps, caltrops and
quick release mayhem using *Item* (minimum 20 hour duration), *Explosive
Runes* (excellent booby trap in a hallway), *Continual Darkness*.
Woe to the DM whose players gain access to Simulacrum spells and ever
slay a dragon.
Dammit, now I want to play a power hungry, paranoid, spelljamming wizard!
E.
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DM challenges Evertree
2/7/01 12:07 pm
I used to run a partly spelljamming and one of the players used to be
into Star Trek Fleet Battles. It sounded interesting so I wanted to do
it with SJ. Sometimes I would have a little contest, we each would get
a set amount of gold to buy and arm a ship of our choice, a block of experience
points build characters and crews, and even money or XP to get magical
items. I loved being creative in invading and capturing his ships.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with say... a Wizard's compound.
Given a... map of a tower and a certain amount of cash to spend, a certain
amount of XP for minions and such... I was wondering how fortified or
attack ready we could make these places.
A villain's challenge?
Yeah, you get XP for making PC's to rule the place, money for magic items,
militia and other expenses... and a certain amount of game time for the
characters' preparations. Maybe even send your PC's out doing adventures
and trying to gather more money, items or attract followers.
Sounds interesting to me, but I am just amusing myself. I'm excited because
I am playing in a 3E game tonight... I tend to babble when excited.
E.
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Re: DM challenges dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 2/7/01 2:45 pm
sounds cool dude
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Re: unconventional spell uses dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 2/7/01 2:51 pm
Woe to the DM whose players gain access to Simulacrum spells and ever
slay a dragon. That sounds like a fun idea hahhehehehehehehe
hey any teratism spell used on your familar is awsume !! polymorph other
on henchmen animls etc.. is fun but heres a great combo i love
expesive chest with a crappy lock and it's wizard locked at low level
fir trapped at a high level with the contents being oil soaked wood covered
with magism in the chest with the fire trap being set on the inside of
the lid so when the chest is opened it goes Boom roman candle time hehehehehehehheheheh
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! Mad orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 2/7/01 5:14 pm
Yes I'm still getting the hang of it, and just last night the players
started bleating about how cluttered the character sheets are, there used
to be a short stats block and a list of items, now there are saves, feats,
skills, and all sorts of notes.
Getting used to the encounter level is really hard. I used to run a 2E
game and converted it over to 3E (Huge mistake but lets not go there again)
I ran a couple of mock battles for a party of 6 6th/7th level PCs the
first mock was against a hill giant and they all agreed that the hill
giant was really tough, so the next mock up was against an adult white
dragon CR9 which was about as tough as they could cope with acording to
the rules. I wiped them out. No questions.
So back to the game and they have had some encounters with Owlbears, someone
decided to climb a tree and that got to be real fun. with people going
up and down willy nilly.
Another encounter with a hill giant who was in an abandoned tower withlots
of cover and a killing field for his bolders. Then an 8 headed Pyrohydra
which was fun. Then a couple of Ettins before we had to call it quits.
Lots of fun and they have not yet had to deal with traps. Hehehehe...
hehehehehe...
Orgruff
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Re: Arrgh, My players thwarted me! MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/7/01 9:08 pm
never looked at it that way. good points.
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2/8/01 7:56 am
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Re: Chaos Trail fantasy PBM / PBeM madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/8/01 10:17 am
Man! You really sucked the air out of this club with your Chaos Trail
post!
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Sucking Calitrojan
2/8/01 10:50 am
Speakin gof letting hte air out... let me fill it back up with some of
my heated variety...
My dilema, an unmotivated group of characters (not players but their PCs).
They have been bouncing after this artifact, which they recovered and
lost to the infamous aprrentice mage wo seems to hound their every step.
Now they are recuperating in a nearby city and wondering what the heck
to do.
One of the PCs just found out his long assumed dead brother is really
alive and under a curse that has eliminated his free will (an important
characteristic in my world). Three of the PC (including the one with the
cursed brother) have been cursed by the artifact they were handling...
they do not know this yet, but will be finding out really soon.
One of the PCs is in love with an important NPC in the area who has been
toying with his feelings... I have been contemplating her untimely demise
to get him into a rage about her killer.
And then there is the halfling (already cursed by the before mentioned
artifact) who will soon be discovering that he is the key to lifting the
curs on the benevolent rulers of the country ... even though much of the
party does not have a lot of good will towards this ruling family.
So, what to do with the last two party members (I had hoped they would
touch the artifact, but they were wary of it). One is an orphaned mage
whose adopted parents are living happily on the border between three countries...
two of which worship the god of evil. He is friends with the evil cleric
in the party and the other wizard (both of which are cursed, and the cleric
is the one with the new found brother)
The other is one of the party's defacto leaders... they seem to change
each session but it is always one of three. He is a monk who believes
the world can be defined by a geometric shape that only those with the
appropriate vision can see and comprehend. He is in search of that ability...
and is the least attached to the party collective... and I am constantly
having to fight his wanderlust, or he would seperate form the group.
Any ideas on binding him to the party? On what to do with the rest of
the group? Any suggesstions? If you need more background info you can
see my web-site at www.geocities.com/calitrojan
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Re: Sucking SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/8/01 12:44 pm
Hopefully, the orphaned mage will want to help his two cursed friends,
keeping him with the group for the moment.
If you can feed the monk clues that the knowledge he seeks lies along
the path the party is following, that might keep him on track. Is there
any way this artifact, or any of the curses floating around, could be
tied into this geometry theory of his? (Of course, even if they're *not*,
he could get rumors which imply that they *are*, since rumors are wrong
so very, very often...)
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Dragonlance Monster Stats drakeflower
2/8/01 4:14 pm
I need the stats for the intelligent minotaurs, the gnome, and the draconians
of the dl saga, I want to base my world on it. Can anyone send me them?
glthas@hotmail.com, thanx all...
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Re: Dragonlance Monster Stats dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 2/8/01 4:31 pm
i have the 2nd edtion dragon lace monster manual stats what all do you
need for them I have them all ?
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Re: Dragonlance Monster Stats knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/9/01 3:39 am
That's an easy request.
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Re: Organization Name greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 2/9/01 11:49 am
I suggest have a beloved historical character that everyone knows about
and call them "The Knights of _____". Also you can have some placenames
incorporate the name. IE The Knights Templar in history and place names
like Templemor, Templeton etc.
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Essentials Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/9/01 1:40 pm
Assume that for whatever reason, you lost all of your D&D material. You
no longer have any material remotely relating to D&D in your possession
any longer. What would you consider to be the top 10 official TSR/WoTC
products you would consider essential to create and run a D&D campaign
completely from scratch? Although it should be obvious, please specify
whether you are running 2e or 3e.
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Re: Essentials SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/9/01 2:04 pm
Hitting up eBay to replace my lost 2e materials:
#1 Absolute Must-Have: Player's Handbook (the tan one with all the blue
line art in it)
2: Some sort of Monster Manual, Compendium, something. Once you see how
creatures are made, you can make your own versions or adaptations, and
the baseline goblinoids, undead, lycanthropes, etc (the classics) are
good reference.
3: Faiths and Avatars. Even if creating my own pantheon, there's a lot
to be learned from the layout of this book.
4: The Dungeoncraft articles online.
5: Complete Book of Villans. Not only ideas for nifty adversaries, but
henchmen and villanous organziations.
6: The Catacombs Guide. Not a lot on catacombs, but a great deal on GMing
and staging an adventure.
7: Weeeell... maybe a DMG. Honestly, I hardly use the thing.
8: CR 2. Gives me Tome of Magic and other useful but not oft-referenced
books I'd hate to buy individually. And then I could get...
9: CR 2 expansion, for all the Complete ____ Handbooks.
10: Option 1: If there's something TSR that fits closely with the campaign
I want to run, buy that. Even though my desert land of Ehosia isn't Al-Qadim,
I can steal useful stuff from that boxed set. If I plan to use a lot of
drow, I'd get "Drow of the Underdark." If I want to pit valiant paladins
and clerics against Lower Planar horrors, I'd get the Planescape Monster
Manual... and so on.
10: Option 2: If there's nothing to get world-specific, uh... oh! I'd
need to buy some more dice!
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Re: Essentials someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/9/01 2:51 pm
DMG
PHB
Monster Manuals of some sort.
Players Guides (Fighter, Wizard, Priest, Thief)
DM Screens
Dice
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Re: Essentials kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/9/01 5:38 pm
(2e)
This is in order of importancy.
1. Player's Handbook
2. Dungeon Master's Guide
3. Monstrous Manual
4. Grid Paper
5. Dungeon Master Screen
6. Lots and Lots of Dice
7. Character Sheets
That's about all I can think of now.
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Message 4309 of 6732 Reply
Re: Essentials kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/9/01 5:41 pm
Any idea where one could come by a Catacombs Guide or perhaps a complete
guide of villains?
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Message 4310 of 6732 Reply
Catacomb Guide and other 2nd edition Calitrojan
2/9/01 8:56 pm
I will sell you my Catacomb Guide. I have switched to 3rd and am in need
of liverating my bookshelves of most of my 2nd edition stuff.
For anyone interested, here is a list of what I am willing to sell:
PHB
MM
Spacefarer's Guide
Spelljammer Boxed set
Nearly all of the Complete Books
Undermountain Boxed Set
Pirates of the Fallen Stars
Al Quadim Sourcebook
Email me at calitrojan@yahoo.com if you are interested. (I haven't hit
E-bay, because I am just so attached to them)
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Message 4311 of 6732 Reply
Re: Essentials Calitrojan
2/9/01 8:59 pm
3rd
This is easier, because 3rd doesn't have near the stuff 1st & 2nd does...
yet
1 PHB
2 MM
3 A third party MM (a great thing about 3rd)
4 DMG
5 The Dungeoncraft articles
6 Much dice
7 A big table
8 A lot of folding chairs and cushions
9 The yet to be released Psionic's sourcebook
10 some guys to play with
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Message 4312 of 6732 Reply
Population query gwit9000
2/10/01 5:27 am
What is a good rule of thumb to setermine is population of:
villiages
towns
cities
kingdoms
etc.
Thanks in advance,
Gwit
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Message 4313 of 6732 Reply
Re: Population query SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/10/01 11:46 am
Someone's written an article on this:
http://crpp0001.uqtr.uquebec.ca/www_wanderer/Towns/Towns.html
Hope it helps.
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Message 4314 of 6732 Reply
Re: Population query Calitrojan
2/10/01 2:34 pm
Well personally, i started out just making the junk up. But instead I
ended up with huge tracts of wilderness and under-populated cities.
Now I use a historical based idea. If yo ucheck out the United Nation's
web site, you can get some historical figures on population. There are
also web-sites that give historical figures on population density. I use
that mostly.
I take the area of my kingdom and choose a population density that seems
to fit historically and geographically and that determines the ultimate
number of people in the population.
Then I determine the major population of my cities, subtracting that from
the total. (These city populations are based on historical reference once
again) and then with a little math you come up with a general population
density for the non-cities. I then use some deduction to determine sparsly
or non-populated areas and subtract that from the whole. Anyway, after
a bit of this you get used to it and can figure out how many people to
put in each village and how much distance needs to be inbetween to maintain
the proper density for the region. Then you take into account things like
natural resources, trade routes, agriculture, etc... and you can then
move these densities around to creat areas of high density and areas of
low density.
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Message 4315 of 6732 Reply
Re: Population query shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/10/01 6:58 pm
villages .. enough people so that they feel like they need some organization
.. I'd say five families minimum.
towns .. enough people so that they need actual government (mayor, sherrif,
etc.) and can support other services (general store, place of worship
.. depending on the location of the town, it may or may not have an inn,
tavern, stable, etc.) .. I'd say a fifty families minimum.
cities .. too big to support themselves without outside trade; big enough
so that specialized craftsmen can find enough customers to make a living;
big enough that they have a somewhat organized government, town guard
or militia, etc.; so big that most people don't know half of the population
.. I'd say a thousand families minimum.
Kingdoms .. depends on land area, geography, resources, and the ability
to trade them. Population density maps are a good place to start for an
idea.
s/g
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Message 4316 of 6732 Reply
play by post greyhawk game holy_avenger777
2/11/01 12:44 pm
Check it out:
http://pub34.ezboard.com/bflanaess
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Message 4317 of 6732 Reply
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX pfclink
(M/Where least expected) 2/11/01 4:01 pm
I thought that would get your attention. I was wondering if anyone has
ever heard or read or even thought up their own terminology for male and
female of the other races. In humans its man and woman. What do you call
a female elf or a male dwarf or orc, troll, halfling, ect. or even a dragon
for that matter. Just curious.
PFCLink, the singer of songs, the reader of books, the slayer of dragons,the
asker of questions.
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Re: vampric mist bobthefish6
2/12/01 7:33 am
I gave my players full xp for this cos i liked the idea and also i wanted
them to survive . i also thought that it was good the way they sent the
mist into a cup board.thankfully i dont think they intend returning to
the dungeon so the vampric mist will not get his revenge. unless he should
pop up in a later adventure interesting......
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Message 4319 of 6732 Reply
Re: SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX dndoverlord
(M/The fantastical reaches of t) 2/12/01 8:13 am
I do know that dragons are referred to as "bull and cow" for the femme
and masculine of the species. as for the others, I am totally unsure.
If you give me a while, I will post a link to a column that you can ask.
Surien
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Message 4320 of 6732 Reply
Re: Essentials Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/12/01 8:27 am
eBay.
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Message 4321 of 6732 Reply
Re: Catacomb Guide and other 2nd edition knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/12/01 8:58 am
I'd be interested in taking the 'Spelljammer' boxed set and the "Spacefarer's
Guide" off of you, if no one has yet? I already sent you an e-mail, but
I'm gonna post up here as well, so you know.
When you respond back to me, just put Spelljammer stuff or something to
that effect in the title of the e-mail.
-K6
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
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Message 4323 of 6732 Reply
Re: Population query Kimball_G
(23/M/Charleston) 2/12/01 12:05 pm
Here is a good site that can generate those numbers for u.
http://www.irony.com/webtools.html
Hope it helps
Monet
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Message 4324 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking gedvondur
2/12/01 11:56 pm
Just out of curiousity, why are they after the artifact?
You have a really cool set of background information on the party, but
what keeps them togather?
I have always found that two things will keep a party together until they
form the necessacary friendships to weld them together.
Money and Religion.
Perhaps you have to get into the mode where you are actually trying to
solve some of the party's personal problems, to try and weld them together
a little bit.
Throw the monk a bone. Give him a little bit, but make sure he knows he
will need help to get it. If the player can't get his head around that
and the monk still wants to wander off, let him. Try to make the next
character a little more bound to the party.
Here's a good one. Make a side deal for a cool new character with one
of your players, and then get him to kill off one of the more lackluster
other PCs. Make the "baddie" character an NPC, and then weld the party
together with a grand olde hunt and kill. Could lead to all kinds of side
stuff and make for interesting playing.
Just my 2 bits...
Gedvondur
DM, Legion of the Red Paw, Forgotten Realms
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Message 4325 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/13/01 8:57 am
This brings up another point. What methods do some of you use to keep
your party together from adventure to adventure? I mean, sure, you can
say "Well that is the way the game is played: they roll up characters
and form an adventuring party and go on adventures," but how do you explain
this in the realistic context of your storylines? Why, in campaign terms,
do they adventure together?
With me right now, it is pretty easy, because i am only running two players.
After the players determine their backround, I take it and insert a lot
of campaign material to root them firmly in the world they live in. I
sometimes insert elements that make it easy for me to bind the party together.
How do some of you other DMs do it?
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Re: Sucking - Keeping it together shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/13/01 11:01 am
This can be one of the hardest aspects of DM'ing.
For low-level characters, it's usually "association by necessity" .. try
to help the players craft a group in which some of the PC's (and players')
weaknesses are complemented by the others' strengths.
For mid (5-8th) level .. it's usually about common goals, whether that's
greed, quests for knowledge, power struggles, etc. .. try and incorporate
each character's goals into the adventure.
For high-level, it's usually trust and familiarity .. have them run into
a few NPC's that they trust at first, but actually are deceptive and have
goals contrary to their own, and help them realize the number one rule
of adventuring .. never go into the wilderness (whether it's the astral
plane, the nine levels of hell, or the local dungeon or "black forest")
with someone you've never been into the wilderness with before. Similar
to one of the infantyman's "Murphy's Laws" .. never get in a foxhole with
anyone braver than yourself.
It takes quite a bit more than ripping the plastic off of a module to
give a party of seasoned role players a common goal.
s/g
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Message 4327 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together SCA_Bard
(24/F/Barony of Storvick) 2/13/01 12:02 pm
After less-than-successful forays into dream visions and other weird ways
of keeping the group together, I'm trying a new tactic for my next game.
Before we play, we're going to sit down and they're going to talk about
what sort of characters they want to play. I know one is looking forward
to playing a cleric; another wants to be a paladin. If they're amenable
to the idea, I'd like for them to be friends serving the same temple.
Failing that, perhaps they could be friendly rivals always trying to one-up
each other in goodness. Or something.
Plus, they will, by default, share a common goal. These nascent heroes
are being assembled by some retired heroes to Right Wrongs and Keep the
Evil from Spreading.
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Message 4328 of 6732 Reply
Game Con Journeyman72
(22/M/Borderlands) 2/13/01 2:34 pm
Hey any oregonians or nearby washingtonians in the area there is a game
fest going on this weekend in corvallis oregon. If anyone is interested
or wants details, email me
Journeyman72@yahoo.com
Later
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Message 4329 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/13/01 3:17 pm
In my first DMing campaign, which kicks off tonight, my characters have
been individually recruited for what is, on the surface, a simple mission
of state. The ensuing double and triple crossing should keep the characters
together for a while, seeking out the bastard who crossed them, then the
guy who set that up. I figure by that time, they will have a familiarity
that keeps them together. That and they will end up behind enemy lines
in a war, so they have no one else to trust. It seems controlling, but
I figure it will work. After all, most groups start out not knowing each
other, and stay together because of familiarity and, well, they work well.
I will stop no one from leaving the group, but I think they'll stick for
a while.
Incidentally, one of these characters has his heart set on becomming an
Assassin. We'll see how much of a team player he is when told he has to
kill a fellow group member to join. I think he'll do it. Then comes the
hunt from his former mates to catch their friend's killer. That should
be fun to set up. :)
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Message 4330 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking Calitrojan
2/13/01 3:34 pm
Interestingly enough, the party was originally after the artifact because
they were hired to find it by the man who eventually stole it from them.
In their searching they discovered his actual plot to destroy on eof th
efour religion sin the game. So then they were after it to prevent him
from getting it. Unbeknownst to them there are other items he needs to
complete his cataclysmic action.
The evil cleric was after him because of an aligience to a political group
in th eworld, it gets complex, for him anyway.
The group has strayed from that path, as I hav eyet to start throwing
hte big clues at them (coming up this weekend), but interestingly enough,
the Monk contracted Lyncanthropy last weekend from some dwarven wererats
(I ran the free module from WotC The Alchemist's Aerie or something like
that. Went well, but I disagree with the encounter levels and such.)
He will be discovering his new problem shortly as both of the world's
moons are going to be full in the next game week... very interesting...
and I plan on usin gthat to tie him into the group more.
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Message 4331 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together Calitrojan
2/13/01 3:40 pm
I start this way also. Except I provide the party with a lot of campaign
information initially (political and religous stuff mostly) and they construct
their backgrounds together, collaborating through e-mail (our main communication
resource). This allows them to tie their characters together loosely through
political and religous affiliationa nd thought.
The main problem I hit with this is getting enough clues out to them so
that their characters can resonably figure out these bonds without it
seeming like I am dictating to them.
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Message 4332 of 6732 Reply
Re: Share/Freeware Map Generator drakeflower
2/13/01 7:05 pm
can someone send me one? glthas@hotmail.com
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Message 4333 of 6732 Reply
Am I wrong? Arthur91658843
(600/M/Arthurealm) 2/14/01 1:38 am
I assume the 15th ftr is attacking with about 4 or 5 attack per round?
So there will be 100~150 hp damage each blow, right?
I have set prestige classes for my own campaign, however, one of it receive
negative comments from my player saying "way too powerful". Could anyone
tell me am I wrong?
The p class is like this: The name is 'Crazy D', which resemble kender
like carefree spirit. In my world there are dragons willing to help good
people, but how can you go melee when the good dragons is also in the
melee, especially it will use breathe weapon within melee range in anytime?
So here come Crazy D. The special ability of Crazy D is some energy resistance,
and damage reduction in high level. For the basic requirement, it has
to be a 7th level bard or rogue (for the skills) and can access to some
arcane spell. So I assume when Crazy D become level 8, it will be character
level 15, right?
So I set Crazy D level 8 has 'Damage Reduction 15', and level 10 Crazy
D has 'Damage Reduction 30'. Yes, it goes without a '/+1', so any magical
weapon also be reduced in damage. But that's all my Crazy D has, no special
attack, equipment like rogue, and so. I know it is much powerful, but
as I set prestige class, I believe I can power-up them since it is my
own world.
I come up with the number of 15 and 30 because I think character at that
level will meet something has greater than 30 damage per blow.
Am I wrong?
~ Excalibur
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Message 4334 of 6732 Reply
Am I wrong? (revised) Arthur91658843
(600/M/Arthurealm) 2/14/01 1:39 am
(Sorry, the 1st senstence is for another discussion, I paste it incorrectly)
I have set prestige classes for my own campaign, however, one of it receive
negative comments from my player saying "way too powerful". Could anyone
tell me am I wrong?
The p class is like this: The name is 'Crazy D', which resemble kender
like carefree spirit. In my world there are dragons willing to help good
people, but how can you go melee when the good dragons is also in the
melee, especially it will use breathe weapon within melee range in anytime?
So here come Crazy D. The special ability of Crazy D is some energy resistance,
and damage reduction in high level. For the basic requirement, it has
to be a 7th level bard or rogue (for the skills) and can access to some
arcane spell. So I assume when Crazy D become level 8, it will be character
level 15, right?
So I set Crazy D level 8 has 'Damage Reduction 15', and level 10 Crazy
D has 'Damage Reduction 30'. Yes, it goes without a '/+1', so any magical
weapon also be reduced in damage. But that's all my Crazy D has, no special
attack, equipment like rogue, and so. I know it is much powerful, but
as I set prestige class, I believe I can power-up them since it is my
own world.
I come up with the number of 15 and 30 because I think character at that
level will meet something has greater than 30 damage per blow.
Am I wrong?
~ Excalibur
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Message 4335 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/14/01 8:48 am
I have used the old - "give them treasure you can't split up" trick in
the past.
For instance freeing a town from a party of brigands earns the party the
deeds to the house the brigands had used as a base of operations. This
then becomes the party base of ops. (this approach works for long term
party goals as they always have somewhere to come back to)
If there are only a couple of adventurers (in a game already running)
giveing them a well made Base of operations can be most beneficial to
keeping them together. It forms a place for expansion of the group (Full
membership, Part membership of the adventuring group, home for NPC's,
loding/barracks for henchmen etc) and also can add the continuity which
sometimes lacks between Adventures. (Who looks after the place when they
are gone, What happens if the place gets robbed when they are out, taxes,
Local Social event camadars, who are their local friends, who doesn't
like them locally etc etc)These all get dealt with differently than a
mobile party on the road.
This does not necessarily tie them to one spot, but gives them a place
to rest and recover, in a place where people know them.
Political affiliations work too . . . making the group a powerful sponsors
hired "Task force" tends to bind them to a cause, and it provides a basis
for continued adventures.
If you control the characters background at the beginning of a campaign
you can make them come from the same village (they tend to stick together
out in the world - an "us and Them" setting)
Similarly but more binding, you could make them all members of the same
family - this can lead to some great hooks (family enemies, quests for
ancestors, inheritance issues etc)
2c from Karrakain
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Message 4336 of 6732 Reply
Re: Keeping Them Together madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/14/01 8:56 am
I've gone so far as to state flatly: "I'd prefer it if you guys stck together
for the time being," for low-level campaigns. Gives my storyline time
to take root and I refuse to DM six or seven mini-adventures in each town
the party happens through. I mean, it's fine if everyone else is sleeping
at the inn and the rogue wants to try to do some thieving, but I openly
frown upon them each going their separate ways, and just plain don't allow
it at times.
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Message 4337 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/14/01 9:09 am
Yes-yes, Kar'.
I was thinking of doing something like this. My present campaign is largely
trackless wilderness.
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Message 4338 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/14/01 10:24 am
Ahh, the largely trackless wilderness campaign. I am currently running
the temple of elemental evil, and it has become a wilderness campaign
to gain experience before trying the temple, again.
I DM in a game shop setting with 9 players, and there has been great difficulty
with group cohesion. It has taken many sessions, an angry goddess, 14
deaths, several imprisonments, and untold miseries in the wilderness-and
still there wasn't much group cohesion. What it finally took was the deed
to a farmhouse, and common enemies upon which the party desired vengeance
for kicking their asses so many times. Although the common lust for vengeance
helps-it was the farmhouse that really made the difference. Now everyone
is doing all sorts of things to their bedrooms and to the house, and they
are gathering common items for the house like hay, dishes, food. Hell,
the ranger has even decided to take up farming so he can grow herbs to
sacrifice to his god.
Saturday, three of them die without a chance to save themselves. They
have attracted the tender attentions of a tenth level assassin. Perhaps
having common unknown enemies will also bring the party closer together.
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Message 4339 of 6732 Reply
Re: Keeping Them Together someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/14/01 10:27 am
People who wander off tend to get killed or robbed, everyone knows that.
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Re: Sucking - Keeping it together sneakabout2
(M/Faerun) 2/14/01 1:51 pm
I myself use some sort of huge organisation which summons them and orders
them to work together and then the huge organisation gets destroyed and
they forget that they don't STRICTLY still have to stay together.
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Message 4341 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together dragon_lord_yu
(18/M/Belgrade,YU!) 2/14/01 3:32 pm
That is a good solution.I myself am always using similar strategies,but
basicly,you just need to discretly let them know that they won't survive
when divided.Of course you should let them split from time to time.Zandro...
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Message 4342 of 6732 Reply
Re: Sucking - Keeping it together Ampolitor
(26/M/At my keyboard in NY) 2/14/01 7:06 pm
Ive done several things, have a powerful group believe that they are responsible
for something, theres safety in #'s. You could have a powerful NPC cast
a spell on them where they can only be a certain distance from on e another,
the same can be applied by use of a curse. (works great if you have a
dwarf and a elf character)
Theres is several ways to do this, but my suggestion is to play it up
with the backgrounds of the characters as you suggested that is th emost
believable.
Well thats my 2 cents.
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Forest Encounters orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 2/15/01 12:20 am
Hi Guys, I'm going to be doing a bit of wilderness wandering soon and
I was going to include a dark and gloomy forest that had very little light
from the sun reaching down to the forest floor. (like the Mirkwood scene
from TRR Tolkien's "The Hobbit")
I was after a few encounters to chalenge a 7th level 3rd Ed group. The
group is mostly fighter types with a cleric, a Wizard and a thief.
I'm looking for diversity and to say away from cleche's.
Thanks, Orgruff
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Message 4344 of 6732 Reply
Re: Forest Encounters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/15/01 8:40 am
Years and years ago, Dragon magazine had a cool adventure called the Forest
of Doom that might be right up your alley as far as cannibalizing it for
ideas. I don't remember the issue number, but if you had access to the
CD Rom you might search for it. One interesting tidbit I remember from
that were giant black carnivorous flying squirrels. I think the crux of
the adventure was a Drow encampment. It was pretty cool.
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Message 4345 of 6732 Reply
Re: Keeping Them Together Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/15/01 9:08 am
Since I currently only have two PCs in my game, splitting up is not such
a big deal.
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Message 4346 of 6732 Reply
Re: Forest Encounters Calitrojan
2/15/01 9:28 am
Evil Treants?
Earth elementals?
A Displacer Beast pack... maybe even controlled by some Ogre Magi?
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Message 4347 of 6732 Reply
Re: Forest Encounters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/15/01 10:29 am
How about a pack of shadow mastiffs, hunting for sport on the prime? A
pride of displacer beasts is good, too.
Howzabout a depraved cult of shamans dedicated to a particular evil diety,
xenophobic druid's grove (N.E.)?
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Re: Forest Encounters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/15/01 10:40 am
How about a dark ranger protector, good aligned but a little deranged
(no pun intended). He could be stalking the party for days on end while
they are in the dark part of the forest. The party could hear him or find
evidence of his presence but never encounter him. He could be like 15th
level or something and might attack the party if they do anything harmful
to the forest or its inhabitants.
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Message 4349 of 6732 Reply
Re: Forest Encounters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/15/01 10:43 am
He could be associated with the xenophobic druid grove! [adventure formulating]
Like one of their Justifiers or something.
At 15th level though, I doubt the party would find any traces of him.
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Re: Forest Encounters someguy80918
(31/M/Colorado) 2/15/01 11:24 am
Well, there is always the trolls, giant spiders, ogres, giant beetles,
some displacer beasts would be cool, leprechauns and pixies could generate
some good entertainment, satyrs, luecrottas (which could provide for several
days worth of nervousness prior to actual battle with them), werebears
and other junk like that would work too.
Don't forget to include lots of non-encounter encounters such as sounds
at night etc.
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Re: Forest Encounters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/15/01 12:37 pm
<>
That is, of course, unless he wanted them to. [wink]
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Re: Forest Encounters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/15/01 12:51 pm
Ah [returns knowing wink].
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Re: Forest Encounters Jiriki13
(31/M/Chicago area) 2/15/01 1:09 pm
How about a hive or group of Ettercaps led by an extremely unique leader(with
maybe cleric/sorcerer powers) that is controlling the spider populations
in the woods. You could use any number of spider species, like wolf spiders
that a really fast on the ground, jumping spiders that have improved jumping
abilities and pounce attack bonus, a trap door spider that has improved
grap and then halls one of the PC's into it's burrow and the others have
to follow to save that PC. Only the burrow leads back to the Ettercap
lair where the PC's get into a really sticky mess; if you get my meaning.
You could also have a web spinner black widow that drops down on unsuspecting
PC's, maybe even during the night when that guard just can't stay awake.
If you don't like the spider theme then I think the next best thing would
be the displacer beast pack, a large one, that is actually the pets of
a much stronger humanoid. This could be an ogre mage, a giant, or any
number of things. You could also use the pet theme except with wyverns
maybe; although I don't remember how powerful wyverns are in 3E. They
maybe too powerful for your group, but I doubt it will the majority of
your group being warrior classes.
Prince Jiriki
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Re: Forest Encounters madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/15/01 1:12 pm
Giant, pink carnivorous rabbits! With vorpal teeth!!
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Re: Forest Encounters jojutsu82
(36/M/Silver Spring, Md.) 2/15/01 2:19 pm
"Wha he's got huge teeth an he can leap!
LOOK AT THE BONES!!!"
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Re: Forest Encounters orgruff
(32/M/The lucky country) 2/15/01 6:06 pm
"What behind the rabbit?"
Thanks for the input guys as always you have been a great help. I do like
the trapdoor spider and the dark ranger idea.
Fade to evil laugh....
Orgruff
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Re: Am I wrong? (revised) MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/15/01 7:19 pm
uhhhh...
what?
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i give up MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/15/01 7:35 pm
damn. i live in the sticks and i can't find anyone to dm. so i give up.
i'm dming but the only players are my girlfriend and my friend. my girl
wants to be either a gnome thief or a halfling cleric. my friend wants
to be a kobold sorceror. 3E rules and its been a long time since i DM'd.
any advice on how to tone it down for small parties (pun kinda sorta intended)
and non-combatant players? don't want them to die, being first level and
all. also, any advice on how to treat a non-accepted character race? i'm
basically building my world from scratch but kobolds are generally considered
monsters. you think i should have them get chased out of town by torch/pitchfork
wielding villagers evrywhere they go.
(hey seamus, isn't that a dogfaced lizard talking to your daughter?)
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Re: i give up wannabesuperman
(M/Atlanta, GA) 2/15/01 10:01 pm
I think that if you can find another couple of people you'll have a lot
of fun. The characters that you described sound like a blast to play.
Anyway, about your questions: If your cleric takes the luck domain then
you can make several bad things (like criticals) disapear. Your the DM,
so fudge the rolls, but don't let the players know. If that isn't good
enough for you, just let them face enemies that are comparable or let
them have the opportunity to gain an advantage over their opponents. For
example, your party would have a hard time dealing with a group of orcs,
so allow them to gain a tactical advantage like being far enough above
the orcs to be able to take one out from a distance.
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Re: Forest Encounters Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/16/01 8:51 am
Have we got bows?
No.
We have the Holy Hand Grenade.
Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred
relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring up the
Holy Hand Grenade!
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Re: i give up Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/16/01 9:14 am
Mark,
Actually, your situation is not much different than mine (except that
I play 2E). For the last three years I have been DMing for two players.
Currently one is half-elven and the other insisted on being a tiefling
(from Planescape) although the adventure is taking place on my homegrown
prime material world. He looks basically half-elven, with a blue-gray
skin, solid black eyes, and his presence causes nervousness in animals.
Therefore, yes, he has been chased out of town, shunned, and even attacked
by a paladin (although the teifling is CG). He has pretty much resulted
in operating only at night, and even then, with a hooded cloak to hide
his face.
Also, both are rogues. One is a bard with the blade kit, and the other
is a thief with the bounty hunter kit (the teifling). Since neither are
big fighters, I have to use a lot of forethought in my adventure design.
I tend to focus more on intrigue, mysteries, and problem solving situations
than on combat situations. I also like role playing and like to force
my players into having to make big moral decisions. We often play entire
sessions where no sword was drawn, and sometimes drawn, but never used.
Boring, you say? Not hardly. The players I DM for both play with other
groups and they say they can't wait for my games (we only play once or
twice every couple of months).
Some ideas to beef up your party for combat situations are: 1)animals.
About two years ago, my two players' characters had the animal handling
and animal training proficiencies and each carted around a pair of wardogs.
At low levels this can help a great deal. 2) At higher levels, they can
hire men at arms or henchmen to beef up their fighting power.
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Re: Forest Encounters greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 2/16/01 9:54 am
Then there's always the hermit mage the party comes across. They have
to go into his hovel which is incredibly foul. Saving throws agains Con
to prevent barfing. If you charm(not magicaly) him he gives vital information,
if you offend him he tosses a fireball or two. Have fun storming the castle!
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Online 2nd ed Cmapaign greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 2/16/01 9:57 am
Just started one. Check out the parties exploits by clicking http://geocities.com/greenmage8/gamelog1/gamelog1.html.
Have a Human Rouge, a ~!/2 Elf Ranger/Priest and a Human Fighter. Still
room for more players. We play Wednesday nights 9-11 EST. If interested
email me at druid@ursa-major.spdcc.com
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Re: Online 2nd ed Cmapaign madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/16/01 10:43 am
{sniff} My dear boy, 2e is sooo passe.
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Re: Online 2nd ed Cmapaign Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/16/01 12:48 pm
Okay now Mad, lets not start this again. We ALL know that 2e rules.
Umbratikus the fight-picker
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Re: the Holy Grenade of Antioch Eoganachta
(36/M/Glendale, CA) 2/16/01 1:06 pm
Thou shall lobith the grenade at thine enemy.
Thou shall lobith the grenade on the count of 4, not 3, not 5, but 4.
(sorry its been a while)
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Re: Online 2nd ed Cmapaign madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/16/01 1:22 pm
<>
That's what they said about the abacus.
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Re: Online 2nd ed Cmapaign Calitrojan
2/16/01 1:41 pm
Now now now... boys! Settle down!
We all agree that 2e is overly bloated with rules, references and hundreds
of books. 3e is new, not overly tested and streamlined. They both offer
something for everyone. Someday Umbratikus will come around and see the
light. (Probably when he can get no more material for 2e... same reason
he left 1e)
So until then we should let him rent and rave all he wants, like Uncle
Jimmy... you know the senile one who thinks it is 1944 and he is on Omaha
Beach.
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Re: Forest Encounters vahjra
(28/F/Missouri) 2/16/01 4:55 pm
a little cliche...think RobinHood
a band of barbarians (or whatever)feeding the myth that the forest is
dangerous. With the help of an illusionist to create some scary sights
and sounds they could scare passers through and rob them.
maybe that was already suggested, i didnt read all the responses.
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Re: i give up MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/16/01 5:04 pm
right. good stuff, both of you guys that replied, thanks. check this idea
out, i know the psionics book isn't out yet but i can fake it until march:
the two characters come to a small but well-off town. the town is a stopping
point for trade caravans and is local to a dwarven mine. many of the people
there are involved in trade and are pretty well off. there's been a rash
of burglaries and mass hysteria. most of the people in town are convinced
the town has been cursed and/or haunted. there's a maiden in the jail
who the sherriff (who all but runs the town, second in comand to the mayor)
is convinced is a 'witch'. the two cahracters (kobold sorceror and gnome
thief) either get caught and jailed (probably) or hear of the maidens
plight. they (hopefully) manage to encounter the maid who tells them what's
been going on (kinda). the houses that have been burgled were robbed by
an unseen assailant, precious treasures float up into the air and leave
the house all by themselves, as if being carried, but no one is carrying
them. how does she know all this? who knows. if the players were caught
and jailed they now have to escape. they should also help the hapless
maid get free. so it's night time they have escaped and they are making
their way out of town, or they are trying to figure out what's going on.
either way, they are slinking along and a golden urn and a sack of coins
goes flying by them, followed by some of the sherrifs men. the sherrifs
men see the players and decide to chase them instead. hopefully the players
try to follow the invisible guy carrying the loot. the light of the moon
glinting off the glden urn makes him easier to follow than most invisible
guys would normally be. hopefully they will be able to manage to track
him down to an abandoned mine outside of town. some time in all this mess
they lose the maiden. in the lair they find the invisible guy and kill
him. during the final conflict he loses his invisibility and they recognize
him as a (drow! Goblin! shaved ape! republican! i haven't decided yet.
i'm leaning towards drow). after they kill him they loot him. there is
lots of treasure in the lair, and he is wearing an unmarked platinum band
which seems unnaturally cool to the touch (heh-heh-heh...) but does not
radiate magic (kobold sorceror, he knows for sure, nope, it's not magical).
so hopefully one of them puts it on and, and, the dead drow-goblin-shaved
ape-republican slowly turns into the maid that was in the jail. ruh-roh.
what happened to you? the player that wears the ring is now either a drow
a goblin a shaved ape or a republican. turns out (it should take several
levels to figure all this out) the maid was actually a mind flayer trained
psionicist slave. the ring is an imbued psionic item (hopefully they keep
the rules for that). the ring is actually one of a pair. when two beings
put on the rings (one for each) they switch forms. only the person wearing
the other ring can remove your ring. the maid was not a witch but a wild
talent psionicist who had very little control over her power. so. they
killed the maid. and an insane drow psionicist is roaming the countryside
in the player's form. by the time they track the drow down and force him
to trade rings he'll have done so much damage in the players shape that
the player may not even want their old form back!
so, what do you think?
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Re: Forest Encounters MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/16/01 6:14 pm
good one. you could spice it up so its not so cliched. instead of BARB-arians
you could have a band of RASTAF-arians.
hoohoo, hahaha... i kill me.
man, i've been waiting forever to use that one.
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Re: Sucking - Keeping it together gedvondur
2/16/01 11:02 pm
Well, its about the same as before, Money & Religion. I don't give them
a lot of "off" time, especially early on in the campaign. Too hard to
deal with. I usually add the next adventure hook right into the end or
near end of the old one. Always a thousand little side adventures to do....
Its a bit harder for me; our group is large and experienced. (9 peeps
+ DM + co-DM)
Keep them busy, never give them more than a couple of days free time,
and early on, not even that.
Gedvondur
GM, Legion of the Red Paw
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Re: Sucking - Keeping it together gedvondur
2/16/01 11:06 pm
This is an excellent strategy. We do something similar, to make sure that
the party has balance, but bringing the players in early, and giving them
background stuff to do first gets them involved and keeps them there.
I actually have my players write down a background on the character before
the first game.
Makes it easier to get them involved.
Plus on a more human note, they are less likely to trash a campaign that
THEY have put time into.
Gedvondur
DM, Legion of the Red Paw
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Hello fellow Dm's. Like to play? thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/16/01 11:59 pm
Hello fello DM's,
I was refered to you by greenmage8 as a group of talented Dm's. Therefore
I have joined and submit the following. Respond if interested.
My 1st edition AD&D campaign has been running once a week since 1989.
I am seeking a player of exceptional ability to plot, plan and submit
execution details via email for the characters high level arch-nemesis,
Grom the Destroyer. As DM I have run this character for the last 7 years
and now a crux point in the story line has prompted me to seek an outside
source to plan and execute his attempt to capture or destroy the "Lords
of Thrandor". I will supply maps, stats and intelligence reports as well
as anything reasonably requested by the player to insure that the game
play aspects are both enjoyable and practical. I have a website, my own
private email service and a message board at the site. Feel free to visit
it at http://nav.to/lordsofthrandor
Availability on Saturday evenings to go on-line in a chat or voice chat
for 1-2 hours would be an interesting plus. With the technology available
now and advances soon to come, a mixture of face to face and virtual game
play seems do-able. I want to pioneer it. Interested? Please only skilled
and serious should apply. This is not a "Come kill my players" offer but
a genuine oppertunity to act as arbiter of an ultra-powerful character
over about a 2 month period. If this works it may become a regular thing
with a character designed by you.
Thanks,
Thrandorian AKA: Thrandorian@home.com
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Re: Forest Encounters gedvondur
2/17/01 12:05 am
Make it particularly dry. Nothing like a spanking huge forest fire to
make sure all the local druids and rangers want to kill your ass....
Gedvondur
DM - The Legion of the Red Paw
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Dungeoncraft articles online midgetoo2us
2/17/01 3:02 pm
Hi, everyone. I'm new here. I started D&D with the basic edition years
(and years) ago.
What are Dungeoncraft articles online?
What is a Dragon Magazine CD Rom?
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Re: Forest Encounters dragn_lady
(33/F/Fitchburg, MA) 2/18/01 12:12 pm
But then, a forest fire can have a double blow.... not only will local
druids and rangers want to kill you, but if you happen to burn down a
section of the forest that houses nest upon nest upon nest of giant spiders,
which sends them to the closest place for new nests, (your own local village)
you will then have the whole TONWship after you! On the other hand....if
there is no REAL close place for them to re-nest, then you will become
local celebrities for taking out the nasties. As the old saying goes....it's
a two edged sword.
Dragn_lady
ps....yes, I was involved in a shall we say, SMALL forest fire like that
above. We no longer live in the area..... :) :)
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Re: Dungeoncraft articles online Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/19/01 8:48 am
<>
http://www.wizards.com/dragon/article.asp?x=dungeoncraft,3
<>
WotC has released a CD-Rom of Dragon Magazine, issues 1-250. Sells from
$40-50, depending on your source, and is available to borrow in many a
public library.
Umbratikus the informative
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Re: Online 2nd ed Cmapaign Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/19/01 9:02 am
<>
Just for the record, Mr. Smartypants, moving from 1e to 2e seemed like
a natural progression. The differences there were not quite as extreme
as the differences between 2e and 3e, but we have been through all that
before. Actually, the fact that the 2e material is now finite is actually
one of its highlights. Although "We all agree that 2e is overly bloated
with rules," I don't use all of them (especially not the PO books, except
for Psionics. I like the PO psionics system better than the old Psionics
Handbook system). My 2e game is very streamlined, and the only rules used
are the ones necessary to run the game smoothly and sometimes to add a
little flair. So whereas 2e does have a lot of "optional rules" I tend
to opt out of most of them.
Lastly, I am thrilled to not have to worry about any more 2e material
tempting my wallet, and to no longer have to justify to my wife why I
need such and such a book. I would like to see a 3rd party company produce
2e materials, but that will probably never happen and is probably just
as well.
Umbratikus
PS, what is wrong with an abacus?
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Re: Sucking - Keeping it together karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/19/01 9:49 am
<>
Hey Mad
I love wilderness campaigns and it was in the Trackless wilderness that
I gave a very low level party a base. The basic premise being that the
High level mage who lived there had died, not of evil, not of spells gone
wrong - he was just old.
The only way through the powerful Maze and obscurement spells over the
area was being guided by the local Faerie folk - the party did a few things
right and - viola! There they were.
There were many things in there which the party found out about only over
a long period of time. It had many magical "make life easier effects"
- Permanent unseen servant cleaner/dishwasher, portals to other places
in the Realms, extra dimensional rooms (aka expansions of Rope Trick/Leomunds
Hut type spells etc - self replenishing bathroom / Guest Rooms / laboratory
etc) It provided a safe harbour, adventure hooks and bit of mystery all
in one go. but in 2 years they never did find his spell
books . . . . oh well.
They did get a nasty turn when they found a skeletal mage figure lying
in bed on the third floor under a glassteeled roof . . .it took them the
longest time to stop shaking and thinking that the "Lich" was going to
get up an Nail them . . .
It certainly ensured that they stayed together
Anyway - I hope that your group stays together - a parties survivability
is so much better that way. . . .
Cheers
Karrakain
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Temple of Elemental Evil karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/19/01 9:58 am
Have any of you ever had a group that tried that scenario - failed, and
gave up to find something easier to do ??
What happens if there is no party intervention and the Elemental factions
internal strife is resolved - It makes for a scary scenario . . .an established
Prime Material Plane fortress with access to the elemental planes.
Fire elementals razing the local vegetation then earth elementals flattening
it to form a perfect "kill zone". Earth elementals shaping moats and trenches,
water elementals filling them, Air elementals flying air cover and firenewts
cleaning out the local populace. the list goes on . . .
Think about what sort of area it would be like in 10 years of uninterrupted
expension . . .
NOW enter a bank of intrepid heroes . . .oh oh
Karrakain (excercising the evil part of his imagination)
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Re: Forest Encounters karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/19/01 10:04 am
Druid Grove where the Druids protect the "Life Force" of the dark forest.
Myconids, Evil Treants, Shadows - maybe have the centre of the Drak places
be a Negative Materiel plane gate - Wights - Use the Vampire Template
on Treants - OWW
Vampiric Treants - there's your nasty centre of things - (Arghhh the brain
is strting to fire up with evil thoughts). They could control the (Vampire)
Druids and keep feeding the goodness and light of the normal fortest top
the negative Material Plane . . . . .
Oh oh - getting carried away again.
Karrakain
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Re: Forest Encounters karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/19/01 12:15 pm
<<>
Doh . . . my typing gets worse when I'm all excited .. That should read
:
feeding the goodness of the Normal Forest to the negative material plane
. .
Sigh
Karrakain
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POWERFULL PC'S gibbs101uk
(31/M/Ipswich England) 2/20/01 11:37 am
i am currently running a dungeon.and as most of you will have done in
the past have made the pc's to powerfull.
have you any good ideas that i could use to take some of the stuff off
them without them getting to pissed off.
if not then some even stronger monsters and stuff i could throw at them
cheers
gibbs
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Re: POWERFULL PC'S madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/20/01 11:52 am
I-is that even English?
;-p
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Re: POWERFULL PC'S sassallan
(41/M/Telford UK) 2/20/01 3:36 pm
A dead magic area will cause items to save or stop working. This happened
to one of my characters and my boots of speed became just boots.
The dead magic area was a trap in the scinario
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Re: POWERFULL PC'S Calitrojan
2/20/01 4:37 pm
On a side note, I have an area of random magic. I have set up a table
and every time someone casts a spell or is using a magical item they randomly
roll on the table to determine what happens. There is a chance, slim one,
that the item or spell will work as planned... but mostly it screws up
and they just try when they are in desperate need.
This effect even works on potions and such. My party recently wandered
into the border areas of this place and drank 3 cure light wounds potions
after a fight in which some magic missiles took a turn for the worst.
One ended up invisible, another took 9 points of damage and went unconcious
and the third ended up a sleep for 2 days.
It was quite fun.
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Re: POWERFULL PC'S thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/20/01 5:12 pm
The trick is to make sure they don't realize you are making an adjustment.
If they feel it happened randomly as a result of a "Really bad die roll"
they may accept it a little better. I suggest you add a scenario or factor
to your campaign and that you roll randomly for it's occurrence on a regular
basis. This should be done in front of the players. each time you roll
a 0 (assuming you roll a D10 for encounters) then roll a second die. Wait
patiently until you roll another 0 or 1 (it should be about 50 encounter
rolls right?) when you roll 01 or 00 the event occurs.
Suggested events:
1)Creatures who can de-magic items. (Beholder?)
2)Death of a character by disintegration will leave them ressurectable
by only a Wish and that will return none of the items worn.
3)An ultra-high level thief or group of them posing as a Ranger(s) encounter
the group during the day and give some valued help or advice . They part
company with the group in a friendly way. That night whether they camp
or stay in an inn they are robbed! If they feel they have to follow after,
they may even catch the robber(s) but by then the stuff has been sold
and the money spent on wine, women and song. They can enjoy killing him/them
but the stuff is out of your campaign. Lastly a large EXP award at the
end for catching the villain will take some of the sting out.
Once I had a high level mage create a magical device that radiated throughout
the land. All magic devices (NPC's in the surrounding area too!) had to
roll a save for every device one time. A failure = de-magic. Since the
opponenents suffered this fate as well it wasn't personal. (Players usually
have more stuff than monsters etc. anyway)
Hope something here gives you an idea.
T
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RE; powerful pcs shadow_blade33
(30/M/nashville tn) 2/20/01 11:19 pm
make the players use there minds more than their ablities in a way that
they must think their way through an adventure remeber the name of the
game is role playing not roll playing
shadow_blade
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Re: POWERFULL PC'S shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/21/01 3:49 am
First, chalk it up to your own experience as a DM, and don't make the
same mistake twice (but don't penalize the players in future adventures
for the mistake either).
Second, have a band of thieves relieve them of some of their stuff (gold,
magic items, jewelry, etc.) .. play it well, and give them a slim chance
to track the thieves to their hideout. Keep in mind that a well-organized
gang will use the items they can, and fence the items they can't. They
should not, in any case, be able to get all of their stuff back. Thieves
do not (as a general rule) fight to the death, and will scatter when threatened
by a superior force. They will also not keep their loot in a "locked chest
under the bed" (in other words, in plain view, and easily pilfered). Their
vault will be difficult to find, nearly impossible to get to, magically
warded, physically trapped, and might even (after all that) be a decoy.
NPC adversaries are often the best foes, and have a tendancy to make great
recurring enemies.
s/g
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Re: POWERFUL PC'S Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/21/01 9:03 am
A lot of good ideas have been given. Thrandorian sounds like he had a
lot of experience in this area. My favorite permanent solutions are the
de-magicking of something, the disintegration (sphere's of annihilation
are always fun) or theft.
A long time ago, as a player, I had an ultra powerful genius level intelligent
+4 vorpal sword. Apparently the DM thought it was too powerful. Ultimately
my character (a 12th level Ranger) encountered a litch with a rod of cancellation.
Bye-Bye vorpal sword.
More recently, as DM, all of the PCs got captured by a powerful mafia-like
thieves guild. This was done legitimately (they drank sleep poison and
all failed their saves). They woke up naked in a dungeon cell. They broke
out, acquired makeshift weapons, then real weapons, and were able to recover
most of their stuff, which was stashed in various places throughout the
complex. A few key items were not found however [wink, wink, nudge, nudge].
Umbratikus
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Re: POWERFUL PC'S Calitrojan
2/21/01 10:47 am
That's funny, I have done this to my group before... spreading their thins
about a dungeon... instead of going looking for them, they just try to
escape and start all over again... they think its easier than braving
my dungeos with wooden clubs while thier naked.
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Using reallife to become better DM greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 2/21/01 12:30 pm
I was just very ill with the flu. Projectile vomiting and worse. Made
me think "hmmmm maybe may players will get the opportunity to become infected".
Give them a warning sign buut place a magic item in pool of obviously
tainted(fecal)material. Will they take it? Will they make their saving
throws? Will the have diarhea when the Orcs attack? Bwa! Ha! Ha!
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Message 4395 of 6732 Reply
Re: Using reallife to become better DM karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/21/01 12:34 pm
heh heh heh . . .
I've just infected a mighty Huge orc barbarian with a nasty disease caused
by a rat bite . . . except he won't know for 2 more game days . . .
To quote Greenmage . . Bwa! Ha! Ha!
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What is the Worst thing . . . karrakain
(38/M/London, UK) 2/21/01 12:36 pm
That you have done to a party or character, or what is the worst thing
that has happened to you in a game?
I'd be interested to find out because it will give me all sorts of fun
ideas !! (heh heh heh)
Karrakain (just ending a bad day in the office)
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Re: Using reallife to become better DM madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/21/01 12:40 pm
Ew! Is that how *you* got sick? By taking something out of a pool of fecal
matter and then using it??
I'm gonna be sick ...
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Re: Using reallife to become better DM Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/21/01 12:55 pm
I remember long ago, when one fighter PC got hit with Troglodyte nausea,
and puked in his full faced helm. Vomitus spewed from the airholes and
eye slit of the visor. Lovely.
Umbratikus the reminiscent.
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Message 4399 of 6732 Reply
Players say the strangest things Calitrojan
2/21/01 1:38 pm
Some of my House Rules that have come from player comments in the game:
The Little Red Book of Calletta (A reference to the often communist musing
of that religion)
Elf feces attracts orcs (A gnome mage trying to get the elven ranger from
wandering off in the middle of the night "To scout things out and relieve
myself")
Goblins are enraged by the smell of flowers (In an effort to get past
his fear of flowers a plyer coated himself with honeysuckle. In the later
battle with goblins he was the only player hit and the only player killed...
thus no one wear flowers)
A halfling can drink his weight in ale. (The halfling fighter who uses
the Gather Information skill often. His usual tactic is "I sit at the
bar and order a glass of ale... and another... and another")
Ordering special weapons from the local smithy is bound to get him kidnapped.
(The same halfling has put ina n order for a new bow three times and has
had to save the local weapon maker three times from kidnappers... the
local weaponmaker is still MIA)
Druids cannot swim well. (Our party's first and last druid drowned trying
to see if the underground river led out of the dungeon)
Monkey's are immune to diseases, but can carry them. (The same druid's
animal companion save twenty times in a row against disease... the only
one in the party not to contract disease before dying of other causes.)
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . Evertree
2/21/01 1:59 pm
"what is the worst thing that has happened to you in a game?"
The Temple of Elemental Evil, should I say more?
The massive rolling statue on an elephant on the.. um.. pillars flattened
my dwarf and his magical platemail. His bones were rendered into paste
that had to be scraped from the ruined armor.
Dwarf juice was everywhere.
E.
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . Evertree
2/21/01 1:59 pm
"what is the worst thing that has happened to you in a game?"
The Temple of Elemental Evil, should I say more?
The massive rolling statue on an elephant on the.. um.. pillars flattened
my dwarf and his magical platemail. His bones were rendered into paste
that had to be scraped from the ruined armor.
Dwarf juice was everywhere.
E.
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . DiscordianStooge
(21/M/Mankato, MN) 2/21/01 2:17 pm
This isn't too horrible, but I found it funny. I put a group together
separately. They all knew each other, but are also all quite devious.
I then told them that their mission would probably be sabatoged (They
learned this legitimatly). In the mean time, I had an NPC in their group
who was mean and surly, and was always watching one of the PC, and had
sent several messages by way of bird. So, now my players are thinking
one of the other players is the sabateur, or at the least my NPC. They
played it well. The stinker is, the person who sent them on the mission
was the sabateur. They'll figure this out at some point, I hope. In the
meanwhile, I want to see how they handle my new monster (It is a skelatal
spellcaster who can change shape, but is far less powerful than a lich.
I magine they will be scared to death, and use way to much energy trying
to kill this pitiful thing- A good way to fight MM knowledge)
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/21/01 2:17 pm
Ohhh, I like that.
I toyed with the idea of having one of my PCs of a particular bloodline
that possesses a peculiar gene, making his spleen or some other organ
a much-sought-after magic component.
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Re: Using reallife/Umbraticus greenmage8
(38/M/Watertown/Boston Mass) 2/21/01 4:59 pm
Very good point. Those full helms really restrict vision and are uncomfortable.
yet anotehr thing to make the players "play".
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Message 4405 of 6732 Reply
Re: Using reallife to become better DM leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 2/21/01 6:17 pm
oh, little inconveniences can always be great.. though a Cure Disease
takes care of most things.. my characters have attracted tetnis a few
times, head colds (sudden unexpected sneezing ruins spells nicely..lol..),
etc.
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 2/21/01 6:21 pm
Tomb of Horror... 'nuff said..lol..
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Message 4407 of 6732 Reply
Re: Dragonlance Monster Stats drakeflower
2/21/01 6:47 pm
'cause I need dl monster stats, draconians, smart minotaur, and kender
from the montser manual for dl. if you could scan the pages or something
and send them to glthas@hotmail.com i would really appreciate it. thanx.
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Re: Using reallife/Umbraticus thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/21/01 6:49 pm
Hi Folks,
Just felt like making an observation. players will always attempt to push
the limits. And God bless them it's their job. It shows they care. If
these attempts are made in an intellectual way and don't set dangerous
precedents, they should be welcome and even warrant substantial experience
point awards. My advice is not to let haggles over small issues interfere
with the smooth progression of your campaign. One of my players insists
on wearing full plate armor. He and I have simply accepted his reduced
movement base, the fact that he spoils all hear noise and that his dexterity
is reduced by two. He's okay, i'm okay, and the group just sticks him
in the back or on guard duty when they need to. And yes, I get to have
fun with the "Cleric in a Can." He, he, double He!
T
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/21/01 8:35 pm
in first edition with the oriental adventures aupplement i had a cat hengayokai
bushi (basically a shapechanger fighter). i was severely wounded in a
fight and i escaped by turning into a cat and running away. i stayed in
the wild for a while, licking my wounds and recovering. i decided to hunt
to regain some more strength. i'm a cat right? so i hunt mice. the first
mouse i catch is a shapechanged dragon. seems my dm didn't like the fact
that i escaped from his carefully planned ambush.
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Message 4410 of 6732 Reply
Re: Dragonlance Monster Stats shadow_blade33
(30/M/nashville tn) 2/22/01 12:30 am
i have the first edition dragonlance adventures if you still need the
stats if so let me know
Shadow_blade
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . shadowpanther68
2/22/01 6:29 am
That you have done to a party or character, or what is the worst thing
that has happened to you in a game?
um well heres a link to a short list writen by one of my players http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/henchman/1085/why_me.htm
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . CZE_026
(33/M/IA) 2/22/01 9:14 am
This little bit of nasty was geared to an obnoxious Monk (1st ed). The
long narrow ended in a small room, only slightly larger than the hall,
with a closed door opposite the archway leading in from the hall. The
door had no knob, just a lock and push pad (ornately carved brass)flush
with the door surface. In the middle of the room was a brown oozing pile
of vile smelling organic matter.
No life detected, no magic detected, just something brown and icky between
us and a door. We couldn't turn back (we knew what was left behind). The
Monk leaped over the oozing thing and checked the door. Note, that he
did this on his own, w/o consulting the party leader. The door was of
course locked, and he (using is vast thieving abilities - of which he
bragged incessantly) picked the lock. When he pushed on the door, a wall
dropped down covering the archway. The walls perpendicular to the door,
then clapped together (wham ... wham ... wham ... etc), then the walls
squeegeed his geletinized remains into the mound. This was followed by
the resetting of the trap.
Moments later, we found a secret door just to the right of the archway,
that led to a landing with stairs leading down and up to the surface.
Had he waited and listened . . .
Ouch
CZE
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . dragon_lord_yu
(18/M/Belgrade,YU!) 2/22/01 5:51 pm
Now that's what I call irony.Still I think I have a winner at least in
that discipline of getting killed in the worst possible way.
I'm an exotic fighter.I love to improvise weapons try impossible moves,and
risque it all for a laugh.
So I get my three comrades in a huge fight involving orcs,bears,two trolls,three
thieves(main reason)and a hill giant(don't ask,please don't ask)
The fight was... well,painful.In the end my comrades are dead,and I have
two hp's.While looking around I notice a wounded orc trying to escape,and
what's more important,I notice that he somehow managed to take my (and
the parties) only healing potion.
So I take my new,just came from a special customized order,six-headed,troll-skin
whip.
The distance is right,and I swing....
....and I swing the worst swing I have ever swung,and practicly decapitate
my own stupid self.Now that's when you stop and say:???
No more role-playing,just DM-ing.Zandro...
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Message 4414 of 6732 Reply
Re: What is the Worst thing . . . Evertree
2/22/01 5:56 pm
Now I'm confused...
The Tomb of Horror sounds familiar too. Which adventure ended with a Crystal
skull in a chamber with jewel teeth that captured souls? You know, with
the demi-lich trying to ascend or something. That adventure was the one
with the Elephant Trap.
Anyone know?
E.
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Message 4415 of 6732 Reply
Re: What is the Worst thing . . . shadow_blade33
(30/M/nashville tn) 2/22/01 9:42 pm
that was the tomb of horrors but the worst that i have heard of was the
temple of elemental evil
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Message 4416 of 6732 Reply
Re: What is the Worst thing . . . Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/23/01 11:48 am
Yeah, the Elephant trap was in the ToH. I almost said that when I read
your first post, but I didn't want you to think I was slamming you or
anything.
Umbratikus the Diplomatic
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Explosives Calitrojan
2/23/01 12:26 pm
I am in need of explosives for my bad guys... and maybe some game mechanics
to go along with them.
Thus far I have come up with only one concept... and it is more of an
incediary device than a bomb. A sort of fertilizer bomb combined with
Alchemist's Fire and lamp oil.
Anyone have any other ideas. (Now that my NPCs have started to blow up
things the players are getting curious as to how... I think they have
plans to blow up stuff too!)
Also any ideas on how to work the game mechanics of the explosions
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Message 4418 of 6732 Reply
Re: Explosives Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/23/01 1:28 pm
Whatever you end up using for explosives, make sure the ingredients are
difficult to obtain, or the method of making it difficult, lest your PCs
start using them all of the time once they learn the secret.
Umbratikus the cautioning
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Half-elf question Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/23/01 1:31 pm
If a half-elf and a human have a child, is the offspring still considered
half-elven, or would it then be so human-like as to be considered a human?
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Message 4420 of 6732 Reply
Re: Half-elf question gwit9000
2/23/01 1:40 pm
I seem to recall reading that less than half-elf is just human. Although
having "half-half-elf" on your PC sheet could be amusing.. :P
The Gwit
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Re: Forest Encounters dungeonkeeperuk
(30/M/Leeds, UK) 2/23/01 1:51 pm
Not sure if you are interested but there is a NetBook of Plots over at
the DnD Community Council
http://www.dndcommunitycouncil.org/
It has plots for all sorts of encounters..
DKUK
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dungeonsndragonsarchive
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Re: Explosives helixgames
2/23/01 2:30 pm
I mis-spent my youth in the service of Uncle Sam and I know...probaly
too much, about explosives. If you are just looking for explosive "ingredients",
then use a search engine such as "Ask.com"...there are hundred of sites
about this stuff on the web. The components to most explosives are actually
quite easy to obtain; safe manufacture and handling of explosives is another
story. Just remember, there are to main components to explosive charges.
The "primer" and the "explosive". In fact many explosive make great fire
starters (I use to heat MRE's with "mortar cheese charges". A small amount
Enegry (ex, spark) must be applied in order for the system to combust.
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Re: Explosives thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/23/01 3:19 pm
My thought. Remember Pandora's box? My players would surely transform
this skill into the creation of rifles, cannon etc. I don't know about
you but I have always had a hard time rationalizing how a 70 hit pt human/humanoid
(or anything not large sized) could take 6-12 bullets and still not be
dead. Sword/other weapon hits against HP's are explained as having been
blocked by armor or deflected by the defenders weapon, reducing their
positional advantage and thus bringing them closer to death.
If anyone has ideas on how projectile weapons can be used, not game revising,
yet believable, I would be interested in hearing about it.
T
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1/2 Elf question/ 'Elfquest' knightmare6
(23/M/Brooklyn, NY) 2/23/01 3:23 pm
A quarter-elf? I think he could still be considered a half-elf, but if
he mates with a human, then the children would probably be considered
human...
So do two half-elves have elf children?
Speaking of elves? Is anyone here a fan of the comic book 'Elfquest'?
If you are, then head over to http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/alltheplanescomecalling
for an important announcement regarding a project for 'Elfquest'!
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Propaganda thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/23/01 3:23 pm
Does anyone know of a table or method for determining the effects of propaganda
spead throughout towns or contries?
T
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Re: Half-elf question thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/23/01 3:45 pm
In the "Real World", if you are 1/4 oriental for instance, you generally
(with some randomness) will appear slightly oriental. To me the answer
is 1/4 elf= 1/2 the sleep & charm bonus of a 1/2 elf. For 2 1/2 elves
you get exactly that. Another 1/2 elf. Just like 2 humans have a human
child or 2 elves an elf child. For a 1/2-elf/Human conception I would
roll a percentile something like this: 02-11, A fluke it’s all-human.
12-89, it's 1/4 elf, 89-99, takes on the attributes of a 1/2 elf, 00 takes
on ancestral attributes of the full elf. (Or has a Chihuahuas' body with
an elf head if I'm feeling grumpy)
T
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Re: POWERFUL PC'S gedvondur
2/23/01 4:34 pm
This is a tricky and political area for your players. You don't want to
cause hard feelings, but if the items are unbalancing the game....well
then the items gotta go.
A trick I use is to kill a PC, and then offer raise dead for magic items.
This might be more effective in my world, I don't allow the purchase of
raise dead/resurrect. You need a quest or a powerful magic item to donate.
Just my $0.02.
Gedvondur
GM - Legion of the Red Paw
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . gedvondur
2/23/01 4:42 pm
In another game I play in, one of the female characters got drunk, and
got laid with a wagon driver NPC we were traveling with. 14 game months
later, and she is "retiring". One bad roll by the DM and poof! the characters
gaming life is over.
Gedvondur
GM - Legion of the Red Paw
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Re: What is the Worst thing . . . gedvondur
2/23/01 4:44 pm
Lets all jump down the black chute to the next level!
hehe!
Gedvondur
DM - Legion of the Red Paw
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Re: Explosives gedvondur
2/23/01 5:02 pm
I would strongly reccomend you do NOT go into explosives or even strong
chemical reactions.
Yoda Says:
"Fear leads to Anger
Anger leads to Hate
Hate Leads to the Dark Side"
or some crap like that.
I say:
Bombs lead to Gunpowder (or an equivalent)
Gunpowder Lead to Guns
Guns Lead to Cyberpunk
If you wanna play with guns and bombs, play Cyberpunk.
We have had games polluted by gunpowder and people with too much knowledge
of chemistry and physics. It kind of takes the wonder out of the game.
I reiterate: If you want bombs, find a magic way of making them. Delayed
blast fireball, whatever. Keep the chemicals out of it.
Gedvondur
DM - Legion of the Red Paw
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Re: Explosives shadowpanther68
2/23/01 7:50 pm
We are in a mystical setting right ?
I have always used magic as my explosives for example let a player research
a modified explosive runes spell that is triggered by impact they put
that on a rock.. Tada a magic explosive rock that can be thrown by anybody
(the messy thing happens when a player carrying a bag of these falls off
something)
Oil of impact another good magic explosive normally found in small vials
very expensive therefor my use of paste of impact a cheaper much less
stable compound which is highly volatile is basically the same as effect
as c4 just don't get close to it with a naked flame.
A skill in alchemy and a fully set-up lab is required to make any such
substance plus time and ingredients cost. Then with a Prof. check by DM
the batch could be good, bad or ops (my favourite)
Remembering that 10 hp of damage in a single attack is equivalent to a
point of structure damage there should be a complex way to set the stuff
off to prevent is use in close combat or some draw back
For instance the paste of impact is very volatile non of my players will
think of using it if there is a naked flame within 30 feet or some mage
about to cast some thing (you can lose a whole arm that way)
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Message 4432 of 6732 Reply
Explosives Revisited Calitrojan
2/23/01 9:13 pm
I just wanted to clear things up, because I am not insane.
My setting has a rarity of magical items. They are mainly hidden and spread
about by powerful mages 9of which there are few remaining).
The need for explosives comes from a fanatical religous/anarchist terrorist
group who likes blowing things up. Thus far I have made it VERY difficult
to determine how the group manufactures their explosives... I think an
alchemist lab that produces the bombs with great danger, care, expense
and highly rare ingredients.
I was just hoping for some new ideas on how to employ this in a fantasy
setting. I have already discussed the idea of gunpowder with my group,
and all of them agree it would be a bad idea to introduce it. They prefer
magic and other things to making falty technologies that muck up the system.
Anywho, thanks for the input.
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Re: Dungeoncraft articles online midgetoo2us
2/23/01 10:31 pm
Thanks for the hot tip. Just discovered your reply that, for some reason,
didn't make it to my e-mail. We have an on-going (15+ yrs) weekly game
with some basic rules, some AD&D, some AD&D2 with a side of Grups Magic.
The characters are involved in a quest of epic proportions and so don't
die (for long, anyway - thanks to the Flask of Eternity made from elixir
of starfish). We just finished a Greyhawk module - Return of the Eight
and are looking for a fun 'city rest & recuperation' adventure. Any ideas?
Characters are 8th level or so.
Does anybody else use such an eccentric mix of rules?
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Explosives in Fantasy shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/23/01 11:33 pm
The formulae for making explosives should be extremely difficult to get
right, with failure resulting in anything from nothing to catastrophic.
It should also be an extremely well-guarded secret, the kind of thing
that people are willing to kill or die to protect.
As for making something refined and stable enough to be used in a firearm,
that should be nearly twice as difficult to create as your run-of-the-mill
"pipe bomb".
And, while the actual ingredients may be relatively common, the proper
mixture and handling precautions should be enough to dissuade most PC's
from trying to tame it after one or two failures .. if they can survive
the assassins sent to ensure that they don't spread the word of their
new-found "bang paste" (or "fireball powder" or "lightning goo" or whatever
it's named in your world).
As for the mechanics, I would rule that a properly crafted ceramic grenade
(probably about 6 inches in diameter, weighing about 1 pound) would do
similar damage to that of an under-strength fireball, but scaled down
by range from the explosion .. 4d6 for within 5', decreasing by 1d6 for
each 5' .. with a successful save vs. Breath Weapon (or Reflex, in 3e)
reducing damage to 1/2. Protection from normal missiles or shield, or
a similar spell, should negate damage (but not resist fire, etc. as most
of the damage is caused by the high-velocity fragments, and not the heat
of the explosion .. you might rule that resist fire reduces damage by
half again, if the devices are more incendiary in nature).
For larger bombs .. each doubling of the size would add 4d6 to the damage
caused, add 20' to the blast radius and increase the weight exponentially
.. a 1' diameter bomb would do 8d6 damage, have a blast radius of 40',
and weigh 8 pounds .. 2' dia: 12d6, 60'r, 64lb .. 4' dia: 16d6, 80'r,
512lb .. up to a maximum of 8' dia: 20d6, 100'r, 4096lb.
You can plot out a graph or table or something to figure out the size,
weight, etc. of intermediate-sized devices.
s/g
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Half-elf / Human Descendants shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/23/01 11:39 pm
I would rule that there is a 50/50 chance for each of the half-elf racial
abilities to be exhibited in a half-elf/human mixed child.
Or, you can scale the abilities based on a die roll (or, again, one for
each ability), with high numbers favoring the half-elf abilities.
The same rolls (or another one altogether) should be used to determine
the amount the child physically resembles one parent or the other.
s/g
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Re: Half-elf / Human Descendants Scott_Gigot
(25/M/De Pere, WI) 2/24/01 3:03 am
I've seen charts and long treatises on the genetics for cross-breeding
humans and elves, and it's complicated...very complicated. Unless one
of your players is Gregor Mendel, it's really not worth the bother.
I'd say that any full-blooded elf is an elf (duh!), anyone 99%-26% elf
is a half-elf, and anyone 25% or less is a human (with more or less vaguely
elven features, but normal human racial abilities). Average the parents'
% elvish to find the child's. I don't believe that it should be possible
to "breed the elf back into a bloodline" by crossing half-elves and whole
elves.
Keep in mind that realistically, most campaigns don't cover enough time
for multiple generations (for humans, figure 20 years per; half-elves
could go 40 years around, and full-blooded elves may take 200 or more
years for a single generation).
That's my take on it, anyhow. I'd probably say the same for half-orcs
too...for half-dragons and other far-out stuff like that, I don't know.
Scott
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Re: Dungeoncraft articles online thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/24/01 3:53 am
I think mixing styles is like doing a jump with a flip off the high board.
Totally cool and great fun if you know what your doing & Ouch if ya don't.
I like your idea with GURPS. They should blend well as long as you have
clear guidelines. I choose to let players choose their own "Innate Ability"
(which I limit) and have what I call Power Wizardry which allows higher
Lvl spell casters to trade duration for area of effect or range etc. Adding
your own rules, spells, technology, is really fun though! I also encourage
the players to do the same thinking. Then I just set the goal commensurate
with the reward. My players have even possessed 3 Star-Trek-like star
ships. Phasers, transporters the whole 9 yards. They visited lots of worlds.
Some, where magic didn't even work or where indestructible robots, or
higher level technology taught them that there is always a bigger guy
than you somewhere. We had allot of fun but after about 8 months of star
travel they discovered that as flashy as the techno-stuff is, your spell
book just can't be beat. Now these starships are sitting in orbit like
a child's forgotten toy.
T
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Message 4438 of 6732 Reply
Re: Explosives in Fantasy Ampolitor
(26/M/At my keyboard in NY) 2/24/01 5:51 am
Well I tried it once and sometimes the PC's make it really hard. We wound
up using a campaign worl much like the French and Indian War and the civil
war period combined. MMMMMMMMMMm mass column of Orcs with muskets facing
off with Elves. It sounds strange but we really had a lot of fun! The
problem is, is that if your not willing for the campaign to grow into
something that advance then leave gunpowder out alltogether.
Well thats my 2 coppers!
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Message 4439 of 6732 Reply
Re: Half-elf / Human Descendants MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/24/01 9:05 am
i figure if your character is less than half elf they ought to look like
and be considered human. but the character can have an elvish air about
him/her. kind of design and play the character so that they are reminiscint
(?) of elves but still human as far as game mechanics are concerned.
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Message 4440 of 6732 Reply
Re: Half-elf / Human Descendants MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/24/01 9:09 am
of course if a character who is 25% elf but human on the outside has a
child with another human who is 25% elf they could have a half elf baby.
like one in uh, 20 or something. i forget my highschool biology. does
this mean if two half elves have a child the child could be an elf?
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Message 4441 of 6732 Reply
excel character / npc generator MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/24/01 9:38 am
hi kids. i'm making an excel character sheet/npc generator. if you'd like
to preview the rough draft that would be great. i'd like to get some feedback
on the layout before i start writing macros and formating plugins. drop
me a line if you'd like to take a look at the first version
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Re: Half-elf / Human Descendants dragon_lord_yu
(19/M/Belgrade,YU!) 2/24/01 9:40 am
Only two elves can make another elf(and that is furher possible only if
they're not thhe same sex)
I think I very much agree with the one who said that there should only
be human,elf and h\elf strain,cos' if you look closely at what you suggested
you must accept the fact that,your new breed would have the abbilities
of an elf(at least partialy),but would at the same time have no level
restriction.So it would be a race the special abilities of two other races.Wouldn't
it make it a super race,then?Zandro...
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Serious Problem kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/24/01 4:14 pm
Our campaign group has developed a problem with a single player. In this
one, I'm a player and not the Dungeon master, but I'm nevertheless concerned
about what is taking place.
The problem player is a friend of mine that I invited to come and play
DnD with us. He'd never played much DnD before and only knew a little
about it. On the first gaming session we were in MistleDale of the Forgotten
Realms. In this game he really did not play a character but more himself.
He chose a terrible name for his character, and said that he was chaotic
good but clearly was doing lawful good. He also said there was some secret
about his character involving emeralds, but he won't tell anyone, not
even the DM. During this first session he was pretty hyped up. I play
a rather foolish elven thief, and every time I would play out my character's
low wisdom score this character would get very mad at it for some reason
and poke me, kick me, etc. We attributed it just to inexperience and planned
another game. He was going to be late to this next one, and even went
so far as to insist that we wait on his sole behalf, but we went ahead
and did it and simply played his character for an hour. He didn't miss
much and we got into another adventure. This time, his character would
kick mine while I was asleep, and obviously try to provoke in character
arguments. Obviously, if I had not felt that he was just simply new I
would have responded in kind. Every problem he blamed on my character.
We still attributed it to inexperience and invited him to yet another
session, which was last night. This time we encountered a female dwarven
cleric who flirted with his character. He was infuriated, and went so
far as to consider having his character commit suicide. We just ignored
it and continued, but the dwarf still flirted with him. He got so infuriated
that he began throwing dice at the Dungeon Master and pencils at the other
players. We disarmed him of his projectiles and he seemed to calm down,
so we continued. Then we were involved in another battle, in which he
had low rolls on his attack roll. The reason was obvious, because he was
simply dropping it onto a notepad and using the results. He was using
my dice, so I offered him another one to use instead. But, he refused
that, and instead when I wasn't looking he snatched my own 20-sided dice,
out of my own, more expensive set. I noticed it's absence and asked him
to return it and use the other one. He refused, and told me to get another
20-sided dice. Finally another player removed it from him and handed it
back to me. This was our third gaming session, and I don't think I can
just attribute this problem to inexperience. Like I said, I'm not the
Dungeon Master of this game, but I'm very concerned. What do you suggest
I do? I don't believe that the DM would want me to kick him out either.
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Re: Serious Problem thorun09
(27/M/Blue Island) 2/24/01 4:55 pm
Roleplaying might of been a little off, but grabbing your dice and refusing
to return it is a sign of immaturity. I would inform him that this kind
of behavior will not be tolerated. Also would let him know the game is
for fun, and some people have wrapped some of their time to enjoy it,
he ought to do the same. If all else fails give him the boot. We have
had a few players leave our group, for better and worse.
I also have had a few problems, and I know the feeling of sitting at a
game table mad. I try to ask myself if I am having fun, if not something
has to change...
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Re: Serious Problem lazarus1020
(22/M/Louisville,Ky) 2/24/01 5:11 pm
I had this problem once, and it even went as far as the player poking
another in the ass with a sword letter opener I had near the table.
I tried to reason with him but it would only result in argueing.Finally
I had to kick him out of the group and it was a real shame because it
hurt the group. Two other characters quit because they thought I was being
too harsh but I did what I thought was right. Give him one more chance
to reform and warn him that if his attitude don't change he will get kicked
out. No reason to punish everyone because of one player.
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Message 4446 of 6732 Reply
Re: Serious Problem MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/24/01 5:35 pm
next time you play, play "survivor" instead of D&D for a "change of pace"
and vote his ass out.
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Message 4447 of 6732 Reply
Re: Serious Problem Calitrojan
2/24/01 7:03 pm
My version of the story. We have a group of six players and myself as
the DM. The group has been wanting to add another player or two to make
the group more diverse. So I advertised and eventually got a call from
a girl who wanted to play. I told her we would try her out and see how
it went.
I invited her over to make her characteer and to get a judge of her personality
before the first game. She was pretty nice and seemed pleasant. Then last
night she came for the game... and things went downhill from there.
She was rude, cursed, was loud, talked over people, played her character
in the most grating and coarse way possible. I often had to ask her to
tone it down, as she made EVERYONE else uncomfortable. My wife barricaded
herself in the back room and my cat, who normally sits in the middle of
the group to get attention hid under the bed the entire night.
Our group rule is a new player gets two sessions as a probationary member
and then the full members vote them in or out... and also allow them to
keep a guest invitation... she has one more session before we vote, then
she will be gone and her guest invitation will be revoked too. I am certain
of it.
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Message 4448 of 6732 Reply
Re: Serious Problem cplchaotic
(30/M/Wheeling, WV) 2/25/01 12:19 am
In one word, Quit! There is no reason a goof like that should be in your
game. I'd imagine that all of the other players agree with you and if
the DM fails to eject this guy, walk away and look for another game. It's
not like you didnt give him a chance to shape up.
The cpl
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Message 4449 of 6732 Reply
revolving DM's amra11_2000
(33/M/Haverhill, MA) 2/25/01 12:41 am
Has any group out there ever used a revolving DM set-up. Our group is
considering it and I would be interested in how it worked for other groups.
Thanks,
Jim
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Re: Serious Problem thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/25/01 6:35 am
Markoffchaney put it as well as can be done...
But let me add this to "Losing players because you are too harsh": Be
fair, stick to your guns, ask the other players (in front of the offender
if you wish) if they are comfortable with the behavior. If they are they
won't be around very long anyway. Don't ever let the players think you
need them more than they need you. Cause if your good, you don't. Also
remember the credo of CEO's & good managers everywhere: ALWAYS BE LOOKING
TO UPGRADE YOUR STAFF. Have a new player in the wings whenever possible
and tolerate Butt-Heads only until you get more sick of it or until you
find a better replacement. Take a week off & tell your players to think
about whether they really want to play. If the are serious they will take
note. If not your just Wackin-off in public anyway. ( sorry seemed like
a simile )
T
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Re: Mixing styles midgetoo2us
2/25/01 8:12 am
Your game plan sounds great, too. I think it's hard to keep the games
really fresh and interesting if you don't use things like star ships and
other dimensions occasionally. It's a LOT of work for the GM, but really
worth it.
I have one player who always opts for the rules to be applied so the encounter
makes sense, and another player who always tries to get whatever advantage
can be slipped in. Some of the ideas are Very Creative, as I'm sure you
all know well.
Probably wouldn't work if too many players were of the 2nd variety.
Hunt's Luck, Julia!
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Re: Serious Problem midgetoo2us
2/25/01 8:23 am
I would not even question the advisability of booting this player. His
mind is clearly on something other than the success/fun of the game. Probably
on something below the belt, no doubt.
I do think that 'wildcard' players can be an advantage, but cruelty is
never desirable in a game setting where people are trying to have fun.
Throwing things - and especially, taking other player's property and refusing
to return it when asked, are strong flags that something else is wrong
with that player that would make the game a nightmare if allowed to continue.
Just say NO! is my advice.
Hunt's Luck from Ilsa. (Julia)
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Message 4453 of 6732 Reply
Re: revolving DM's leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 2/25/01 12:30 pm
depends on what you mean. If you mean revolving DMs, bringing their own
campaigns and creating new characters, I'm all for it - everyone gets
burned out and wants to play sometimes..
If you mean keeping the same campaign, I'm agin' it.. I've written it
up in previous posts, but can redo it if ya can't find em..
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Message 4454 of 6732 Reply
Re: Serious Problem kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/25/01 3:07 pm
Thanks for your advice everyone, I'm glad I posted that here. You've been
a great help.
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Re: Serious Problem MARK0FFCHANEY
(23/M/NJ) 2/25/01 6:09 pm
quiting is harder than it sounds. especially when you can't get a game
going, like me and my friends. i'm basically a reluctant dm who'd rather
play than DM. we're having a heck of a time finding more players and a
person who would actually prefer to dm (imagine!).
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Message 4456 of 6732 Reply
Re: Explosives Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/26/01 8:58 am
What is wrong by using armor to rationalize bullet damage, the same way
you do with arrows, swords, and other weapons.
Alternately you could give bullets mega damage, like 5-10 (1d6+4). Primitive
firearms were very inaccurate, so you can offset the high damage with
a to-hit penalty (of, say, -2). Also muzzleloaders would be slow reloading,
probably similar to a heavy crossbow.
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Message 4457 of 6732 Reply
Re: Half-elf question Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/26/01 9:26 am
I normally tend to deal with it like the teifling race in Planescape.
A teifling is not necessarily the offspring of a demon and a human, but
there is lower planar blood in him somewhere in his ancestry. I have the
same take on half-elves. If there is elven blood in there somewhere in
the last few generations, then the character is still half-elven, although
he may appear more human or more elven than the typical elf-human offspring,
the abilities are the same.
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Message 4458 of 6732 Reply
Re: Serious Problem Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/26/01 9:58 am
You could just kick his ass : )
Umbratikus
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Re: revolving DM's Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/26/01 10:07 am
In my younger days, I played in a group that had revolving DMs in the
same campaign. We played in the 1E Greyhawk campaign, and whenever one
adventure would finish, we would swap DMs for the next adventure. There
were four DMs in all. When it was a player's turn to DM, his character
sat out (training, researching spells, visiting family, etc.). We never
really cared much and it never caused much of a problem until one day,
when it was my turn to DM, I DMed the Tomb of Horrors. Everyone died.
At the next gaming session, everyone had 1st level characters and I had
a 12th level ranger.
The next DM killed off my beloved 12th level ranger just out of spite
in the next adventure, and to level the playing field. (jerk).
I would recommend that if you are thinking about revolving DM's that each
DM have his own campaign and each player had a different PC for each campaign.
Umbratikus.
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Message 4460 of 6732 Reply
Re: revolving DM's CZE_026
(33/M/IA) 2/26/01 10:17 am
In HS and through college our groups frequently would use a rotating DM
system. It took a while to get in cycle, and we often took a couple of
gaming sessions to create the uniform code of world rules, but once going
it worked well. The only weak point was using the current DMs character
as an NPC during his term at DM.
Alternatively, we would often use multiple worlds and spend 4 sessions
in one campaign, the take a break and played another DMs game. This worked
best with each DM running a different game altogether. I usually ran the
Gamma World or Star Wars campaign, and let someone else mess with the
AD&D campaign.
Has anyone here tried dual DMing? This worked well for us, using the assist
DM/GM to roleplay the NPCs, while the primary centered on the descriptions
and mechanics.
CZE
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Re: Serious Problem madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/26/01 10:33 am
I agree. I don't know about your PC, but my PC would never put up with
such mistreatment from another partymember (especially a proud elf --
I have an Elven rogue, too).
I would endeavor to secretly poison his waterskin -- unknown even to the
other party members. I would work it out with the DM on the side, and
it doesn't sound like the DM make it too difficult.
Then, when this a**hole keels over, I would feign ignorance, leaving even
the rest of the party only suspecting and not knowing for sure.
Or, sneak away from camp and surprise attack him while he's on watch one
night.
Perhaps that would, at the very least, send this upstart a message about
how to play.
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Message 4462 of 6732 Reply
Rune Casting Demonic_Cultist
(27/M/Hopkins, MN) 2/26/01 10:53 am
Hey all, I was hoping I could get some direction. I once read a D&D novel,
and it talked a lot about Rune casting. Is there a book out on something
like this? Is there some sort of Knight in the Greyahwk world that can
do this? I actually thought the novel was a Forgotten realms one, dealing
with giants...if that helps. It's been a long time. Any info is greatly
appreciated
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Re: Serious Problem madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/26/01 10:56 am
Or, when you make level, take some ranks in the cross-class skill Alchemy
and Knowledge [Poisons] (if you're playing 3e) and be very conspicuous
when mixing poisons or studying around the campsite. Perhaps he'd get
the hint.
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Message 4464 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rune Casting nightray1998
(28/M/seattle) 2/26/01 12:24 pm
The D+D was about the drow magi Gromph's daughter. I haven't seen an exact
one but the norse used runes a lot. Futhork runes are what they used.
Supossedly odin gave his eye for a drink at the well of knowlege. And
he devloped the Futhork runes from these. Mabey this url can help your
dm come up with something, if not e-mail me and mabey i can help you.
nightray1998@yahoo.com
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Message 4465 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rune Casting Jiriki13
(31/M/Chicago area) 2/26/01 3:54 pm
The book you seek with the Rune Casting specs is the Giantcraft Accessory
Book or the Vikings Accessory Book. The Giantcraft one details the rune
casting from the book you mentioned, and yes it was a FR book about giants.
The Vikings handbook that came out many years ago had some things on rune
casting too and also some good stuff on Viking culture. You may be able
order them from WoC web page still, but I'm not sure. You could probably
find them on ebay if you're patient enough.
Prince Jiriki
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Re: Rune Casting MARK0FFCHANEY
(25/M/Franklin NJ (we need a lo) 2/26/01 7:19 pm
the vikings sourcebook runecasting rules were peculiar. the runecaster
was bacially a cleric, same hd and thac0. the runes were either better
or worse than spells depending on the rune. you could get really cool
powers at early levels, but there wasn't much room to grow. anybody seen
the runecasting rules from the ginats book? were they any good?
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Message 4467 of 6732 Reply
Players needed for Online Campaign mrroderick
(25/M/Long Island NY) 2/26/01 7:48 pm
Weekly real time sessions meeting Saturday nights in a yahoo club. Campaign
is Planescape, 2nd ed. rules, all PCs start at level 1. All races and
nearly all classes/kits allowed. Those interested should email me at MRRoderick@yahoo.com
or contact me on yahoo messenger under the same name.
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Re: Players needed for Online Campaign gwit9000
2/27/01 2:42 am
Is EPKJ playing?
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Message 4469 of 6732 Reply
Re: Players needed for Online Campaign ousterx
(29/M/Midwest) 2/27/01 1:08 pm
You mean the guy that ran Diplomatic Immunity? What happened to that club,
anyway?
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Re: Serious Problem falcon29ak
(30/M/Alaska) 2/27/01 2:04 pm
I've had a few problem players in my time as a DM (21 yrs) the most recent
wasn't so much a problem player than a player that was letting the roleplaying
affect him more than it should. There was a conflict between two characters
in the game and both of the players were doing very well staying in character
and playing thru it, but I noticed one of them was getting quite angry
OOC and it was starting to affect the rest of the players and the smoothness
of the game. So I called a break and took the player who was losing his
temper outside (where i take smoke breaks, ya ya ya bad habit I know lol)
and talk to him about it. Basicly explaining that he needed to calm down
and keep it in his mind that it is just a game and the other player was
just reacting the way his charater would etc... after talking with him
for a few mins he was fine for the rest of the game and all others since.
In fact once he started to not let things from the game affect him OOC
he became one of my best players in his ability to roleplay.
Now in my oppinion it is up to the DM to keep things fun for the players
and to keep things from getting out of hand during the game. Even if you
were the one who invited the offending player it is not your responsibility
to keep him in line it is up to the DM to do that. If your DM does not
do this talk to him about the other player and decide what needs to be
done.
anyways just my 2 cents worth
Falcon
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Re: Rune Casting falcon29ak
(30/M/Alaska) 2/27/01 2:11 pm
About the best system I've seen for rune casting and summoning circles
and the like is in the Paladium players book. I took thier rules and adapted
them to my AD&D world. It actually added some depth to the rules that
are vauge in the D&D books I've read. I believe the Paladium books are
still in print if not and if you are interested you should be able to
locate one either in a local hobby game shop or online. Good Luck :)
Falcon
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familiars and animal companions MARK0FFCHANEY
(25/M/Franklin NJ (we need a lo) 2/27/01 8:04 pm
who controls familiars and animal companions? the player or the dm or
both?
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Re: familiars and animal companions kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 2/27/01 8:41 pm
The player does, but the Dungeon Master can step in if he/she feels that
the animal would not follow a particular order etc.
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Re: Players needed for Online Campaign gwit9000
2/27/01 11:51 pm
Well not wanting to clutter up a D+D club with a non related topic but
DI went under a couple of months ago. EPKJ made it a private club for
a while then deleted it when he couldn't get a single game going.
Gwit (formerly zoz9000)
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Re: familiars and animal companions shinto_gaijin
(28/M/Sasebo, Japan) 2/28/01 3:42 am
>> The player does, but the Dungeon Master can step in if he/she feels
that the animal would not follow a particular order etc.
I disagree. Familiars, animal companions, pets, mounts, etc. .. just like
hirelings, followers, and other NPC's .. should remain strictly under
the DM's control. The player may think that the critters are under his
character's control, but they have a mind of their own, and should be
gamed as such.
s/g
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Message 4476 of 6732 Reply
Re: familiars and animal companions madteuton
(31/M/Keyport, NJ) 2/28/01 8:21 am
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Precisely. These are, for all intents and purposes, NPCs.
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Message 4477 of 6732 Reply
Re: familiars and animal companions dragon_lord_yu
(19/M/Belgrade,YU!) 2/28/01 9:48 am
I fully agree.After all,the players should not control the animals and
such,cos' they always tend to do things that their character otherwise
would, so why play two beings the same way.Better leave to the DM and
see smth new and surprising. It's tthe only reason I like to always have
a 'pet',to bring me smth new.Zandro...
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Message 4478 of 6732 Reply
Re: Rune Casting & Glen Cook Demonic_Cultist
(27/M/Hopkins, MN) 2/28/01 10:15 am
Thanks for the ideas and info guys! That Giantcraft book was indeed what
i was trying to think of. A player of mine wants to create a type of mercenary
or knight that has runes on his armor and can invoke/cast them on occasion.
He got the idea from Glen Cook's Black Company Series. Have you guys ever
read them? They've given me some good tips for breathing more life into
mercenary/soldier type NPC's.
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Message 4479 of 6732 Reply
Psionics Calitrojan
2/28/01 10:40 am
Yep, its out already. I bought the book yesterday and wanted ot know what
you all thought... if you have bought the book thus far.
It seems nice, everything falls into the regular 3e system except for
psionic combat. But because of the way they have made psionic combat (attack
vs. defense) they had to make it somewhat different. It is not vastly
different from making oppossed skill checks or using feats in combat...
so it isn't that much more complicated than what we are already doing.
I haven't had a chance to read the book ocver to cover, but I think it
has improved over 2nd editon and vastly over 1es system.
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Message 4480 of 6732 Reply
Re: familiars and animal companions Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 2/28/01 4:00 pm
I'm going to have to take the third stance and say "Both."
If you have a lot of players, each with his own henchmen, hirelings, and
or animal companions, it is often too much micromanagement to have to
control them all, all of the time.
I play it rather loosely. I let my players call most of the shots. They
speak in terms like "I instruct my wardog to do such and such," or "I
tell my owl to attack this guy," and as long as they are trained to do
this, or as long as I don't see any circumstantial or story-based reason
why it shouldn't do so, I let it happen. IOW, I let the players control
the actions of these animals, and in some cases henchmen, as long as I
don't see a problem with what the NPCs or animals are doing. My players
are pretty sensitive to things like that, though, and rarely outstep their
bounds.
Umbratikus the Laissez Faire DM
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Message 4481 of 6732 Reply
Re: familiars and animal companions thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 2/28/01 4:10 pm
Depending on which "Edition" you play "Find Familiar" is clearly a spell
linking two beings. In 3rd Ed Players handbook on pg.51 you will find
a very strong case for the player running his familiar. Let me quote verbatim
from two of the many convincing references:
1. "Familiars are magically linked to their master (Note the word Master)
"...in some sense the familiar and the master are one being"
2. Hit Dice "Treat as the masters character level"...
The rest of the description continues to reinforce the premise.
In 1st Edition, the penalty for a familiar death is the loss of hit points
gained through the creature and an equal additional amount. In addition
the spellcaster loses 1 point of constitution permanently.
Every one of us has the right to run our campaigns as we see fit but I
hadn't seen this information taken into consideration and thought it was
relevant.
T
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Message 4482 of 6732 Reply
Re: familiars and animal companions Umbratikus
(35/M/Central Ohio) 3/1/01 8:15 am
Point well taken, Thrandorian. I suppose a player should be given more
control over his PC's familiar than he would over a standard animal companion.
Umbratikus
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Message 4483 of 6732 Reply
Join me in this jorney... dragon_lord_yu
(19/M/Belgrade,YU!) 3/1/01 4:18 pm
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/zandroamiss
Hi,guys!I just founded this club,so feel free to come by at any time,and
take a look.
It's still not much,but as it always is the case, you can make it better.Meanwhile
I'll be doing my best to answer all your needs,when it comes to the neverboring
RPG's.
Thanks ahead!Zandro...
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Message 4484 of 6732 Reply
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3/1/01 7:35 pm
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Message 4485 of 6732 Reply
Re: revolving DM's Scott_Gigot
(25/M/De Pere, WI) 3/2/01 12:09 am
I've been out of DM'ing for many years, and have been feeling the jones
to do some creative work...and a friend (Gedvondur) has his hands full
with his group of 9 (now 8) players. So, I'm helping him DM...in combat,
I keep track of some of the paperwork (inits, hit points, attacks, ammo,
etc); I keep notes on what's going on, who does what, memorable NPC's
we make up, that sort of thing. I run some NPC's as needed, but for now
I'm still letting the primary DM make all the big game-affecting decisions.
I'm also helping with the creative and planning side, which so far is
going well--and hopefully it will stave off DM-burnout.
Hopefully this will be a springboard to running a campaign of my own once
I get into the swing of things again; I don't agree with all of the things
in Gedvondur's campaign (just most of 'em), so I still occasionally get
the urge to have a creation of my own.
For that matter, a co-DM position may be a good way to break someone in
if they're thinking about running a game but haven't before.
Scott
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Message 4486 of 6732 Reply
Re: revolving DM's Jiriki13
(31/M/Chicago area) 3/2/01 8:17 am
The group that I am in and DM in has three DM's at this time. We usually
play in one campaign al the way through an entire adventure or series
of adventures; it all depends about how long it will last. We only play
twice a month, every other Saturday, and we usually spend anywhere from
3-6 months in one campaign. When we switch to another campaign we usually
take about two hours or so and go over where the campaign ended and basically
do a refresher course on what was happening. The key to having revolving
DMs is to never ever leave a campaign in the middle of an adventure unless
it can't be avoided. Always move to another campaign when you have completed
an adventure and the PCs are in "idle time". You also, of course, want
to jot down some notes about what had happened and what was happening
with particular PCs so that when you come back to your campaign you can
give a good refresher to the players. Of course I usually have my players
take some notes on what their characters were doing also to ease some
of the pressure off of me. Hope this helps some.
Dave
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Message 4487 of 6732 Reply
I need stats for the Witchblade thing dndoverlord
(M/The fantastical reaches of t) 3/2/01 8:23 am
I am looking for the stats for the Witchblade. For those of you that don't
know, the witchblade is a sentient bracelet that morphs into a sword,
locked gauntlet, and full-body armour. The catch is that the Witchblade
can only be wielded by a woman. If you have any stats for this
mystical weapon, please reply, or even email them to me at
dndoverlord@yahoo.com
thank you much
Need this to run a campaign.
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Message 4488 of 6732 Reply
Re: Half-elf question Soviet2001
(18/M/Cincinnati, OH) 3/2/01 12:28 pm
I still want to know if when a human and halfling have offspring, if the
result is then called a quarterling...
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Message 4489 of 6732 Reply
Chaos Trail PBM game chris95672
3/2/01 3:26 pm
Please have a look at http://www.harn.f2s.com, Chaos Trail Fantasy PBM
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Message 4490 of 6732 Reply
Re: revolving DM's pvandyck_99
3/2/01 4:19 pm
Are you sure you want to run for a group of 9 experienced DND players?
;)
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Message 4491 of 6732 Reply
shadowblade drakeflower
3/2/01 5:24 pm
whats your email|??? i need the dl stats and that one club had none
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Message 4492 of 6732 Reply
Thanoi kwan_darkwood
(21/M) 3/2/01 6:04 pm
Hey everyone, I'm looking for the stats of a Thanoi, or Walrus-Man to
put in a Dragonlance adventure. If anyone here has them, could they please
send them to raistilin_magere@yahoo.com
Thanks.
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Message 4493 of 6732 Reply
exclusionist elementalists in 2nd ad&d boats10us
(35/M/Sasebo Japan) 3/3/01 12:02 pm
I had a DM that introduced me to elemental exclusionist, but I have not
been able to find any information on spells, special abilities, etc. If
anyone knows where I can find this information it would be much appreciated.
Pls send info to boats10us@yahoo.com, Thank you
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Message 4494 of 6732 Reply
Re: exclusionist elementalists in 2nd ad dungeonmaster1st
(100/M/muiltiverse) 3/3/01 3:41 pm
Tome of magic!!! and what ever you need to know ask me
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Message 4495 of 6732 Reply
Re: Thanoi leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 3/3/01 5:37 pm
You could just make it up..
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Message 4496 of 6732 Reply
virtual table amra11_2000
(33/M/Haverhill, MA) 3/3/01 8:53 pm
Has anyone ever used this program?
If it works like they advertise it could be great.
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Message 4497 of 6732 Reply
Dungeon Masters Wanted thelabyrinthrpg
3/4/01 2:48 am
www.labyrinthrpg.com is looking for experienced Dungeon Masters to host
online, live chat based adventures. Please visit the site and use the
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Message 4498 of 6732 Reply
To create or to relate... dragon_lord_yu
(19/M/Belgrade,YU!) 3/4/01 4:20 pm
What do you prefer;to create your own worlds, campaigns,items,NPCs etc.,or
to simply go with already existing same ones?Zandro...
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Message 4499 of 6732 Reply
Re: To create or to relate... thrandorian
(39/M/Portland Oregon) 3/4/01 7:44 pm
I've only run 2 modules in 18 years and I couldn't even resist tweaking
them. Of course I am the type of DM who altered my time system (actually
similar to 3rd edition rules) on the 4th run of my campaign 17 years ago
so you can figure, I am always going to be on this side of the debate.
Too many things don't make sense like the old 1-minute mêlée round where
it took 3-8 rounds to finish a fight that should last 30 seconds. Real
swordplay is generally resolved in under a minute except full suit of
armor combat. That is probably why it was popular as a spectator event
(Medieval games). No one would watch a football game either if the game
only lasted 2 minutes. This is your chance to use your own brain as an
environmental result processor. Run wild, have fun. Loosely planned campaigns
have the benefit of being unpredictable and this can be allot of fun for
the DM. 1/2 the time I can't wait to see whets going to happen next myself.
T
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Message 4500 of 6732 Reply
Re: To create or to relate... leeok31
(33/M/Catoosa, OK) 3/4/01 9:46 pm
My campaign generally runs along my own lines, with bits and pieces of
various modules thrown in here and there. I might use a map and restock
and alter it, might use just one level of an 8 level module, tweaked to
fit the campaign, etc. I create my own NPCs, but basically use the items
in the books - of course, I might tweak those, too, a lesser Holy Avenger,
etc..
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